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07-26-2018 , 06:41 PM
UTG limps. Hero is BB with 89Thhh(7k) and completes
BB checks.

Hero draws 1 to 89Thhh7. BB draws 2, UTG draws 2.

Hero catches 3h for 389Thhhh(7).

Hero checks, BB bets, UTG calls. Hero calls.

Hero draws 1 to 389Thhhh. BB pats. UTG draws 1.

Hero catches 9d for 9d98T3hhhh.

Hero checks, BB bets, UTG calls, Hero ???

These small pots are tricky for me. Thoughts are more than appreciated.
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07-26-2018 , 06:42 PM
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07-26-2018 , 07:19 PM
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How big of a pot do you feel it would need to be to make a call?
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07-26-2018 , 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Badmixed
How big of a pot do you feel it would need to be to make a call?
Very tough to say, probably just drawing to half as the BB most likely just has a low

Could be dead though to high but unlikely

Ts,9s, or even 8s (if playing 6s qualify) might get you half

If you are getting enough pot odds for half assuming you only make the flush that might be enough. The possible pair outs may be enough to compensate for the times you are drawing dead. So calc odds you are getting from the pot on turn and see what it looks like.
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07-26-2018 , 11:59 PM
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this game was not invened by people with the intentions of folding flush draws, but id also fold
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07-27-2018 , 12:46 AM
Only getting 2.5 to 1 as played for half, not enough

Need close to 4 to 1
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07-27-2018 , 02:12 AM
To me the question here is not whether or not to draw to a flush (you certainly can't; pot it way too small), but whether or not to show down 99. They're fairly likely to both have lows since UTG limped and BB went 2-pat. Worst case effective-odds wise is that you call here and then call a bet from UTG while BB folds...that would give you 2.5:2 i think. Really UTG should never have a high draw since the pot is too small (unless it's a really big combo draw)...I think I would call and show it down, although I'm really not sure.

After deciding to call, you have to decide how to draw. 3 gives your hand away but gives you some small chance to outdraw high hands, whereas if you go with like 1 again they will be more afraid to valuebet since you're supposed to be drawing. When you're beat you can't win but you also don't have to face a river bet as often. Tough question.
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07-27-2018 , 03:45 AM
Folding pre seems fine, it's easy to go wrong postflop. I would draw also draw 2, our hand has many other ways to improve besides making the straight immediately.

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07-27-2018 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by RolldUpTrips
To me the question here is not whether or not to draw to a flush (you certainly can't; pot it way too small), but whether or not to show down 99. They're fairly likely to both have lows since UTG limped and BB went 2-pat. Worst case effective-odds wise is that you call here and then call a bet from UTG while BB folds...that would give you 2.5:2 i think. Really UTG should never have a high draw since the pot is too small (unless it's a really big combo draw)...I think I would call and show it down, although I'm really not sure.

After deciding to call, you have to decide how to draw. 3 gives your hand away but gives you some small chance to outdraw high hands, whereas if you go with like 1 again they will be more afraid to valuebet since you're supposed to be drawing. When you're beat you can't win but you also don't have to face a river bet as often. Tough question.
I missed the pair of 9s, think I would show that down
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07-27-2018 , 11:48 AM
I still think it’s a fold. Yes, it seems likely both are going low, however the price of being wrong is quite high compared to the possible reward of being right.
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07-27-2018 , 05:19 PM
Mathematically it seems far more likely BB has just a low than a high that beats us.


It's easier to start with 3 of the 32 low cards in deck as opposed to 3 of a particular suit.


Then it's also an easier draw to complete. Flush draw needs 2 of remaining 10 but low draw needs 2 of remaining 20.

My intuition feels like it's a call. But haven't crunched the math specifically to say for sure.
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