4-way. no reads on villain.



UTG folds, i open button

267J badugi

SB folds. BB calls. we're HU

BB D1s and..

i stick with it or draw?


does answer change if if I had 267Q badugi pre?


thanks

Would keep both the jack and queen, they are around 60% and 55% equity respectively

With a 5 tri or better I’d break the queen

what if you had say A25J badugi?

Closer I think given the way Badugi is evolving especially online I think I would break. It’s highly aggro and you could possibly even bet that on the river against loose call stations. Certainly you can if you reduced your incomplete

with a 3cd 7 you should pat any badugi.

Interesting spot. I used to just autopat any dugi here but I could see wanting to break with a really strong tri underneath to help the playability, and maybe even get called down more often.

That said, it would be pretty bad to break without a pretty nutty tri and give him the chance to beat us by improving to a better tri.

Although if BB just flats and is normal and has a 3betting range he probably can't even improve to a nutty tri so maybe it's ok to break up to like 52A here.

I think ScotchOnDaRocks got it, but I'll say the same thing with more words. Since Troutulator doesn't do range vs range I just tested a set of one card draws against your hands. I checked both hands against a better tri and a worse tri with villain drawing to a Jack if you pat and both keeping any badugi if you break.

One nice thing about patting is your opponent has to draw to a better badugi. If you are both taking one he can pat on a King, but if you stand pat he has to go for at least a Jack, and more likely a T plus depending on his tri and strength at badugi. Killing two or three outs is nice.

If you knew with certainty your tri was better it would improve your equity slightly to break. Look how close a 267-tri is to a pat queen against a worse tri-hand. But if your tri is worse you throw away about 15% equity by breaking. Because of that I'd pat the Queen and the Jack here, only breaking for a nutted tri. (A25r has 5% more equity against a 6 tri than patting Queen badugi.)

Badugi sim, 100000 trials, 3 draws:
Dead cards: none

Hand 0: 2c 6d 7h Qs: standing pat
Hand 1: 3d 2s 8c --: 2nd draw: keep J badugi. 3rd draw: keep J badugi

Hand 0: 2 6 7 Q : EV 58.8% - WIN/LOSE/TIE %: total 58.8/41.2/0.0 - badugi 58.8/41.2/0.0 - 3 cards 0.0/0.0/0.0 - 2 or 1 card 0.0/0.0/0.0
Hand 1: 3 2 8 -- : EV 41.2% - WIN/LOSE/TIE %: total 41.2/58.8/0.0 - badugi 41.2/2.7/0.0 - 3 cards 0.0/56.1/0.0 - 2 or 1 card 0.0/0.0/0.0

Badugi sim, 100000 trials, 3 draws:
Dead cards: none

Hand 0: 2c 6d 7h --: 2nd draw: keep K badugi. 3rd draw: keep K badugi
Hand 1: 3d 2s 8c --: 2nd draw: keep K badugi. 3rd draw: keep K badugi

Hand 0: 2 6 7 -- : EV 58.8% - WIN/LOSE/TIE %: total 58.8/41.1/0.1 - badugi 42.1/10.6/0.0 - 3 cards 16.6/30.5/0.1 - 2 or 1 card 0.0/0.0/0.0
Hand 1: 3 2 8 -- : EV 41.2% - WIN/LOSE/TIE %: total 41.1/58.8/0.1 - badugi 33.4/15.4/0.0 - 3 cards 7.7/43.4/0.1 - 2 or 1 card 0.0/0.0/0.0

It’s actually little better than this when you factor in everything, like the times they fold after second (or even first, it def happens) draw

Yes true, increased fold equity

You also have to get to showdown with each of the two hands to realize their equity. That will be much easier to do with a jack badugi