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01-31-2018 , 05:50 PM
Villain is unknown, I didn't notice him going out of line so far but I wouldn't be able to say if he's thight or loose.



PokerStars, $3 + $0.30 - Single Draw 2-7 No Limit - 150/300 (75 ante) - 6 players


UTG: 22,280 (74 bb)
MP: 7,920 (26 bb)
CO: 1,800 (6 bb)
BU: 10,814 (36 bb)
SB: 8,513 (28 bb)
BB (Hero): 26,049 (87 bb)

Deal: (900) Hero is BB with 4 8 T 2 J
1 fold, MP raises to 600, 3 players fold, Hero?
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01-31-2018 , 06:32 PM
Its a +EV call even if you check/fold. He will miss enough of the time and not bet to make it good.

Arguments can be made to 3b shove. If he folds one card draw that is a huge win for you and if he calls then you are flipping to win his bounty.

Small 3b is probably not so good. Never fold.
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01-31-2018 , 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by D Villain
Its a +EV call even if you check/fold. He will miss enough of the time and not bet to make it good.
Thanks a lot for the comment.

With which frequency would you be calling an eventual cbet postdraw, and how the size of his bet would influence this frequency?
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02-01-2018 , 12:49 AM
No reads, lowstakes where people probably raise too much pre, seems like a good jam to put pressure on and fold out one-card draws and prevent us from making post draw mistakes. A bounty would definitely sweeten the deal, although I don't see any mention in OP of this being a bountyment. From a range construction perspective, seems like if we want to call big blind with some pat jacks and raise some others, this is a better one to raise since it's weaker and will therefore loose more postdraw when it goes check/check to better jacks. Further supporting the shove argument is that if opener were button, I think jam would be pretty standard, and MP is only 2 spots off.
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02-01-2018 , 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by I shot the sheriff
Thanks a lot for the comment.

With which frequency would you be calling an eventual cbet postdraw, and how the size of his bet would influence this frequency?
Think he is inferring that he is calling preflop, patting, and then never calling a cbet

It’s an exploit play just assuming most players at this level won’t bluff enough

I think it’s a fine line given the pot odds. I do not like the risk reward of 3 betting all in. Think he has just abit too much.
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02-01-2018 , 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by ScotchOnDaRocks
calling preflop, patting, and then never calling a cbet

It’s an exploit play just assuming most players at this level won’t bluff enough
yes I guess this line it's fine in such a low stake tourney.. but if this was already an 11$ and villain was some kind of a regoular, I'd be afraid of having this line as a default.. this game has a lot of showdowns and people if you are so unbalanced people will notice.

Thank you very much for commenting

Last edited by I shot the sheriff; 02-01-2018 at 10:18 AM.
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02-01-2018 , 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by zoogenhiem
A bounty would definitely sweeten the deal, although I don't see any mention in OP of this being a bountyment. .
Yes you are right I forgot the bounty, I think it was just the "start bounty", should be 0.75$

Thanks for commenting
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02-01-2018 , 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by I shot the sheriff
yes I guess this line it's fine in such a low stake tourney.. but if this was already an 11$ and villain was some kind of a regoular, I'd be afraid of having this line as a default.. this game has a lot of showdowns and people if you are so unbalanced people will notice.

Thank you very much for commenting
Well it doesn’t have to be your default

Villain probably knows that you know that he knows you probably have a weak pat and will be on guard looking to pick off a bluff. Therefore he may feel like he has to bet really big and may not be worth it with his current stack sizes

Stack sizes matter ALOT. If he had more or less your play would probably be different. For this reason I think balance in tourneys is overrated. Probably less overrated than in Hold’em where there are so many different flops. But still overrated.
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02-02-2018 , 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by I shot the sheriff
Thanks a lot for the comment.

With which frequency would you be calling an eventual cbet postdraw, and how the size of his bet would influence this frequency?
Depends on if you are calling and patting with Ts or Qs.

If you are only calling and patting with Jacks only then my frequency of call would depend on how big he bets. If he bets pot then I call 50% if I think he doesn't bluff enough which most don't then it'll be anywhere between 0-30% of the time.

These spots are very villain dependent as others have mentioned. If he is good he should probably shove 9+ (T might be a bit thin) all in and an optimal number of bluffs. The bigger he bets the more bluffs he gets but even so its still at most 60% of his range he is betting with. The other 40% he will check and you win maybe 30% of the time. This is why I said calling here and check/folding wins you more than folding the BB. If he never checks back (and he is a regular) you can assume he is over bluffing and then you start calling a lot more or just trap your good pat hands.
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