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Letigra. I’m a little confused on the math. It seems like you are saying 82% of the
Time The big blind will improve to a hand bags better than 458. We’re also oop but should lead anyways because little less than a 1/5 of the time he has a 2 card that didn’t improve but will still peel and is basically equal to our hand anyways

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07-06-2018 , 01:01 AM

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LETIGRA

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Originally Posted by ScotchOnDaRocks

Lol Letigra, partying too hard on the 4th?

Haha you are too funny Scotch!

Yes guilty as charged!

It's the combo of alcohol and bitcoin thc.

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07-06-2018 , 01:06 AM

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LETIGRA

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Originally Posted by DeathDonkey

Lol I’ve never been to Aruba but this guy seems to be entertaining himself

Hi DD,

So in 2007 at the absolute poker 8k package you were not there?

I saw you on bet raise fold and i met you but I guess people look similar.

I apologize if that was not you.

But first reply to this thread was you and I was like wow this guy still thinks i stink.

It's just funny. I still think you are a better triple draw player than me

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07-06-2018 , 01:18 AM

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LETIGRA

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Originally Posted by ScotchOnDaRocks

No one is ignoring the math. Autobetting will mean you will often be putting in multiple bets when your equity is really bad. And 458 with two bricks would be an equity dog against a D3 where you don’t know the result of his first draw.

No, lots of people ignoring math but not you. You are someone I can debate.

When you autobet you are getting to win the pot 18% and will only be check raised by a draw one or better.

Yeah I hope I'd be an equity dog. Why would I snow if not a huge equity dog.

check out at 11 mins..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q490yZvCN-E

terrible spot to snow. You have a #10 in the world of 2 cards draws; just draw to a jack or even a queen.

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07-06-2018 , 01:27 AM

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LETIGRA

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Originally Posted by Rob...Chill

both hands were in position.

854 can hit a #5 so you can not guarantee that a 3 card draw picks up a better 2 card draw automatically.

even if a better 2 card draw is made they will not check raise

bet for the free money or the hilarity of seeing a second draw 3

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07-06-2018 , 01:45 AM

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Rob...Chill

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You opened sb vs B.B. how are you in position

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07-06-2018 , 02:05 AM

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LETIGRA

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Good point although I would have described the hand as fold 1, i raise if it was 3 handed

although a 6 max table most play is heads up

once down to 2 players you have small blind in position.

that's why starting hands different. If I was 6 max oop smbl you fold that crap.

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07-06-2018 , 05:04 AM

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DeathDonkey

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I was in bet raise fold but I’ve never been to Aruba.

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07-06-2018 , 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by LETIGRA

Even a crappy d2 is a mandatory bet against a d3 on the flop. They will still have a d3 18% and must mathematically fold.

I don't agree with either conclusion.

I will bet a lot of D2s where I've paired to weaken the D3's draw or have discarded pairs, then I have the option of patting rough/snowing after seeing his draw, or playing a D2 as a draw for value, but reflexively throwing a bet in with a no-blocker rough 3-card Eight should prove expensive over time.

Any D3 that was correct to see a flop is correct to peel again if he knows you are betting all UI D2 hands as rough as this, and eventually he will know that if he doesn't already.

Agree it's all about the math though.

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07-06-2018 , 01:16 PM

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ScotchOnDaRocks

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Maybe electrical was the guy you met in Aruba

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07-07-2018 , 12:23 AM

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LETIGRA

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Ok Ok, I apologize. Jeez. I guess I got the wrong guy but everything was so consistent.

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Originally Posted by electrical

I don't agree with either conclusion.

reflexively throwing a bet in with a no-blocker rough 3-card Eight should prove expensive over time.

Any D3 that was correct to see a flop is correct to peel again if he knows

The roughest 8s should be patting. It's not like we would ever pat 765KQ or 256xx in position.

I posted a problem hand that would generate some debate as it can make a 5

Obviously, no one can debate patting 875KQ in position after a D3D2D2

It's not correct to draw 3 on second draw unless pot was 5-bet preflop which would never happen with a draw 3

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07-07-2018 , 01:53 AM

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RolldUpTrips

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Originally Posted by LETIGRA

Ok Ok, I apologize. Jeez. I guess I got the wrong guy but everything was so consistent.

The roughest 8s should be patting. It's not like we would ever pat 765KQ or 256xx in position.

I posted a problem hand that would generate some debate as it can make a 5

Obviously, no one can debate patting 875KQ in position after a D3D2D2

It's not correct to draw 3 on second draw unless pot was 5-bet preflop which would never happen with a draw 3

Any reasonable player can debate snowing with 875KQ. Snow when you catch pairs. Check back with paints.

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07-07-2018 , 02:20 AM

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LETIGRA

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yeah everyone knows about snowing with pairs

you can't check back since it is a 'free' bet

you have odds to call raise

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07-07-2018 , 03:15 AM

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RolldUpTrips

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Originally Posted by LETIGRA

yeah everyone knows about snowing with pairs

you can't check back since it is a 'free' bet

you have odds to call raise

No, it's not a "free" bet. As everyone is telling you, unimproved 2:3 is a check

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07-08-2018 , 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RolldUpTrips

No, it's not a "free" bet. As everyone is telling you, unimproved 2:3 is a check

Just curious, do you feel an UI D2 is an autocheck?

Think I would bet at least 20% of the time there, certainly with premium D2 that may have paired along way

Ahead of equity range so some value, not nearly enough to get c/r'd when opponent has D1 or better, and while the UI D3 is certainly not autofolding he will fold some % of the time

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07-08-2018 , 09:57 PM

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LETIGRA

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Originally Posted by RolldUpTrips

No, it's not a "free" bet. As everyone is telling you, unimproved 2:3 is a check

When you have small blind, you are in position so a 3:2

If you raise and bb calls and he draws 3 (oop) and you draw 2 and he checks you have to bet

show your math

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07-08-2018 , 10:58 PM

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why did you say sb instead of btn? why did you mention 6max table?

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07-08-2018 , 11:59 PM

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LETIGRA

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oh god

there is only 6-max tables but the software adjusts once 1-1 and small blind is always in position which yup is the button

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07-09-2018 , 12:17 AM

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Keep on learning these gizes Letigra, one day they will get it

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07-09-2018 , 12:52 AM

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LETIGRA

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It's just funny 90% of people debating me think I'm OOP

Good!

That means my lines are certainly correct IP

Other 10% have played 3 hands of huhu this year

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07-09-2018 , 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by LETIGRA

It's just funny 90% of people debating me think I'm OOP

Good!

That means my lines are certainly correct IP

Other 10% have played 3 hands of huhu this year

Keep on betting in this lifetime, plenty of time to check when you are in the casket

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07-09-2018 , 07:34 PM

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Rob...Chill

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Originally Posted by LETIGRA

When you have small blind, you are in position so a 3:2

If you raise and bb calls and he draws 3 (oop) and you draw 2 and he checks you have to bet

show your math

I misunderstood and though you were talking about being oop full ring. That being said your still probably wrong.

If you want for fun, I’ll play you Heads up deuce and throw math out be window and check back this spot 100% to see what happens.

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07-09-2018 , 08:38 PM

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ScotchOnDaRocks

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Letigra it looks like you baited the hook and landed another bitcoin entrepreneur!

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07-12-2018 , 09:53 PM

#50

LETIGRA

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I am triple draw 'woke'

don't know what any of you are talking about

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