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01-13-2018 , 03:52 PM
It's been a while but I am finally back able to play some of my favorite game 27 single draw. Here are two hands that I played in a session online.

Hand #19035662: No Limit 2-7 Single Draw - 0.01/0.02 + 0.01 ante
Seat 2: SB (1.77)
Seat 3: BB (1.68)
Seat 4: Hero BU (0.72)

Dealt to Hero: [Q 8 J 7 2]
*** 1ST BETTING ROUND ***
Hero raises to 0.05
SB calls 0.05
BB calls 0.05
*** 1ST DRAW ***
sushiboynyc draws 2
ICYh0t draws 1
Shrooms discards [Q J] draws [4 3]
*** 2ND BETTING ROUND ***
SB checks
BB bets 0.12
Hero raises to 0.66, and is all in
SB raises to 1.20
BB folds

Second hand is a bit more interesting given its more than 30bb

Hand #19035718: No Limit 2-7 Single Draw - 0.01/0.02 + 0.01 ante

Seat 2: BU (1.92)
Seat 3: SB (1.44)
Seat 4: Hero BB (1.95)

Dealt to Shrooms: [8 8 2 2 J]
*** 1ST BETTING ROUND ***
BU calls 0.02
SB calls 0.02
Hero bets 0.12
BU calls 0.12
SB calls 0.12
*** 1ST DRAW ***
SB draws 2
Hero PATS
BU draws 3
*** 2ND BETTING ROUND *** (POT - 0.39)
SB bets 0.50
Heo raises to 1.82, and is all in
BU folds
SB calls 1.31, and is all in
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01-13-2018 , 08:48 PM
Hand 1) You drew 2 to make 87 perfect in a MW pot. Be happy to gii

Hand 2) these villains are playing way too loose, so while I think the snow is fine against thinking solid players, once sb bets out just give up

I like that SwC includes antes in this game. Induces more action compared to stars where there’s no antes
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01-13-2018 , 08:52 PM
Hand 2 seems bad, its not easy to rep a super nutty hand after you check pre-flop and villain is often leading a very strong range
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01-14-2018 , 08:47 AM
Hand 2 is certainly dubious. During the hand I projected what I would do in the SB spot and thought it was a reasonable play. But in hindsight it seems terrible he is never bluffing enough here.

How would you play the SB range? For an overbet lead I think you might get away with T8+ and bluffs. I could have a lot of Jpat in the BB that I wanted to isolate vs clearly a 2draw hand. What hands would be good to bluff in the SB here? If you lead 97low would you call an all in reraise vs a pat hand in the bb?
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01-14-2018 , 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by monikrazy
Hand 2 seems bad, its not easy to rep a super nutty hand after you check pre-flop and villain is often leading a very strong range
He did not check, he raised
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01-14-2018 , 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by D Villain
Hand 2 is certainly dubious. During the hand I projected what I would do in the SB spot and thought it was a reasonable play. But in hindsight it seems terrible he is never bluffing enough here.

How would you play the SB range? For an overbet lead I think you might get away with T8+ and bluffs. I could have a lot of Jpat in the BB that I wanted to isolate vs clearly a 2draw hand. What hands would be good to bluff in the SB here? If you lead 97low would you call an all in reraise vs a pat hand in the bb?
Well if I’m SB in either raising to begin with or completing the SB and folding to your raise. Yeah you do have all of your jacks in your range. So SB can value bet tens and bluff. We can almost throw the guy drawing 3 out of the equation. Not sure about the 97, seems around the breakpoint.

Here is some material I have on my new website on 2-7 NL SD
http://www.countingouts.com/deuce-to...asic-strategy/

This is an article originally posted in 2+2 Magazine that has some relevance to the discussion on Hand #2 concerning how many jacks you can hold and your overall distribution of pat hands

http://www.countingouts.com/deuce-to...and-decisions/

Last edited by ScotchOnDaRocks; 01-14-2018 at 02:37 PM.
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01-14-2018 , 03:31 PM
I will defo check out those articles Scotch, thanks. I am currently reading your Badugi series and will check your others too as I'm going to try get into mixed games.

I played another short session with someone HU who actually knows how to play so I have some more hands that he played interestingly:


Hand #19049355: No Limit 2-7 Single Draw - 0.01/0.02 + 0.01 ante
Seat 1: BB(1.90)
Seat 4: Hero (2.31)

Dealt to Hero: [3 8 9 4 5]
*** 1ST BETTING ROUND ***
Hero raises to 0.05
BB raises to 0.17
Hero raises to 0.50
BB calls 0.50
*** 1ST DRAW ***
BB draws 1
Hero Pats
*** 2ND BETTING ROUND ***
BB checks
Hero bets 0.30
BB calls 0.30


Spoiler:
BB wins pot (1.58)
BB had 8 6 4 3 2
After the hand he told me he broke a T8low

I think his play is really interesting although I would def bet in his spot as it gives him ability to bluff at some %. But there is merit to checking this sometimes obviously as I can value town myself.

Is there merit to check raising in his position? Depends what he thinks I'm 4betting here. From what he said in chat it seems he feels I am a bit loos here with the 4b but I would probably 4b worse including a breakable J8/7.

If he just calls to try hit the 8 then he is hoping for 25% or ~50% again my weakest. Calling the 4b he needs 34% equity which he may have. But there is also some implied odds of hitting and getting me to value bet worse.
So calling, drawing and checking has merit.


I am interested on your opinion on his play so if you don't mind spoilers have a look above ^

In this spot I put him on a 8+ draw. Generally when people hit it they will bet to get value or bluff so I put him on a range of 98-A8 so I am betting here to get value and I'd probably also have some bluffs here but not often. Thoughts on a small bet with all our range?

In these spots where we pat in and out of position against a one card draw I am interested in the merits of having sometimes betting out whole range small. Similarly when having a 1card draw versus a 2 card draw doing the same.

A mixed strategy is probably good in both spots here.

Last edited by D Villain; 01-14-2018 at 03:43 PM.
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01-14-2018 , 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by D Villain
In this spot I put him on a 8+ draw. Generally when people hit it they will bet to get value or bluff so I put him on a range of 98-A8 so I am betting here to get value and I'd probably also have some bluffs here but not often. Thoughts on a small bet with all our range?
I think I like it except maybe when you are at the very bottom of your pat range, such as a JT. Are pat tens and jacks in your range to begin with though?
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01-14-2018 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ScotchOnDaRocks
I think I like it except maybe when you are at the very bottom of your pat range, such as a JT. Are pat tens and jacks in your range to begin with though?
Weakest non bluff hand would probably be J8-6 then 9+. I don't think I am 4betting weak J or T here often if ever. I'd rather call some pat8 or 7 to protect the call range then making the 4b range weaker. But I am not really sure what is best. These spots occur so infrequently.
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01-14-2018 , 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by D Villain
Weakest non bluff hand would probably be J8-6 then 9+. I don't think I am 4betting weak J or T here often if ever. I'd rather call some pat8 or 7 to protect the call range then making the 4b range weaker. But I am not really sure what is best. These spots occur so infrequently.
Yeah I think it probably is best so yeah a small bet size with the entirety of that range sounds good. Of course if they always call the small bets with bluff catchers and need a good hand to call a bigger bet I think you know what you need to do to exploit...
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01-15-2018 , 05:13 PM
I am slowly building my roll playing 27, I am doing a bit of a bankroll challenge playing only draw. Had another good but short session today and also did pretty well playing triple draw.

I decided to try out a more polar 3betting strategy 3betting pats and weak draws. The idea being that my BB calling range might be too weak. So here is a big pot from one such hand:

Hand #19061326: No Limit 2-7 Single Draw - 0.01/0.02 + 0.01 ante
Seat 2: HERO (2.75)
Seat 4: BB (1.20)
Dealt to HERO: [7 6 A 4 4]
*** 1ST BETTING ROUND ***
BB raises to 0.06
HERO raises to 0.24
BB calls 0.24
*** 1ST DRAW ***
HERO discards [A 4] draws [5 9]
BB draws 2
*** 2ND BETTING ROUND *** (POT 0.49)
HERO bets 0.34
BB raises to 0.95, and is all in

Let me know if you are interested in the results of any of these hands.
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01-17-2018 , 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by D Villain
I am slowly building my roll playing 27, I am doing a bit of a bankroll challenge playing only draw. Had another good but short session today and also did pretty well playing triple draw.

I decided to try out a more polar 3betting strategy 3betting pats and weak draws. The idea being that my BB calling range might be too weak. So here is a big pot from one such hand:

Hand #19061326: No Limit 2-7 Single Draw - 0.01/0.02 + 0.01 ante
Seat 2: HERO (2.75)
Seat 4: BB (1.20)
Dealt to HERO: [7 6 A 4 4]
*** 1ST BETTING ROUND ***
BB raises to 0.06
HERO raises to 0.24
BB calls 0.24
*** 1ST DRAW ***
HERO discards [A 4] draws [5 9]
BB draws 2
*** 2ND BETTING ROUND *** (POT 0.49)
HERO bets 0.34
BB raises to 0.95, and is all in

Let me know if you are interested in the results of any of these hands.
So what is your strategy here? Obviously you know you can't rep a good hand drawing two...as played I would call in this 2/2
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01-17-2018 , 04:40 PM
In a 2D v 2D spot I am betting a polar range. I have to call a 9 here to the raise its too high in my range.

I am not sure I like 3betting 2 card draws. I am trying to come up with a good 3b/4b strategy maybe you could make some suggestions under the following assumptions; SB opens 2 card draws and 1 card draws to a J.

Here are some odds-
K/J942 vs Q3/832 has 49% equity
Q3/832 vs K/9742 still has 40% equity
A4/764 vs K/9742 has only 34% (my played hand)
A4/764 vs K/J942 has 43% (against a JQ which pats then its only 36%!)

So these bad 2card draws that can hit the nuts might be better 3bets than the good ones which can call profitably. On top of that I'd think any 99xxx hand can probably be 3b then pat or 2card drawn along with all the pat J+ and some of the 8 1-draws which are better with more money in the pot.

A question is also should 1-draws to 9 be 3b? They are much better versus the weaker range than 3betting and being called by other 9+ draws and pat J. Although when called by a pat hand they make good overbet shoves when you hit. Probably then 4betting all pats might be a good play as a 9draw versus and T8pat is only 31% and 40% v J8. So maybe 9s are best called then overbet donking versus a much wekaer range.

Obviously one could also just only 3b pat hands. If this was the strategy what would be the best counter?
In a HU spot when I open to 2.5bb and am 3b to 10bb I need 35% equity to call. Against a pat only range then only one card 9 draws might have that equity. So just folding a lot I guess is the play?
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01-19-2018 , 01:35 AM
Haven’t really thought of shorthanded NL SD as I’ll practically never play it

But in general I think you want to 3b your pat, good 1 card draws (but careful not to get raised off it), and some pat snows

3b a two card is not for value and when you draw your weakness is face up

Is the big blind the button headsup?
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01-22-2018 , 06:30 PM
After some play I think I prefer the more conventional and conservative 3b strategy you mentioned most people are not loose enough on the button.

Small blind is the button in heads up.
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