Just so on same page I said lower skill edge not non existent. But it is much slower as well and that’s a bad combo. In addition it’s intimidating for new players. Badeucey and Badacey are bad for mixed games imo

These games aren't staples of the mixed games because they're technical and captivate deep thinkers. Simply put, fish love Badacey and Badeucey, so they are in every rotation.

You are correct in that I do think the fish that play mixed enjoy these games

But the presence of these games in mixes are usually what prevent new players from coming in.

TOE could be a very popular mix if given the chance

toe would be good, but it means you need to play with less players which also scares some people. HOE or hose or horse etc always the best when going to include 8 or 9 folks.

I like to have 2 scoop games with OE vs just one.

You could spread TOE with 8 and just sit one out with the T if need be

I find no one really wants to play R or S

Some like H but the ones that don’t enjoy playing mixed because it is not in there

Best mix may have been BOTE with B being Badugi. I agree another one winner game is good.

Agreed on all points. The haters of hold em really hate it lol. I think having hold em in mix will bring similar stakes players in( at least here on the east coast)

It's important for a mix to have some games where new players will feel relatively comfortable, be that straight hold 'em (limit or NL or both) or PLO (make it 5 card if you must).

From our lips to Poker god’s ears

A mix went down the other day at my local casino

40/80 SPORT

Super Stud Hi/Lo
PLO
Omaha Hi/Lo
Razz
Triple Draw 2-7

Why don't rooms have mixes that make new players feel very comfortable? I think most NL and LHE players are bored stiff with the game but won't hop into mix because they only know 1-3 games.

Rooms don’t start mixes, players start mixes

I don’t think most LHE and NLHE players are bored with their games otherwise they would either be playing PLO or Omaha Hi/Lo.

Poker room management always has the final say on what games run and what doesn't regardless of what regs think is best. It's always been that way.

I'm probably wrong with LHE but I know for a fact most fish and regulars are bored with NL. The problem is even straight PLO is intimidating (too big) and the mix games have many games that are too complicated/intimidating for a community card poker player. So they stay where they're at and just play less.

I would think mix players would want new players but that would require having a pretty boring mix.

Yeah sure management can shut down games if they want but it's rare unless they are trying to protect another game or more obvious reasons such as dealers aren't trained or a game isn't approved.

But the onus is on the players to organically grow new games. The room never announces something like, "We are starting a new SPORT mix come all ye players".

Some people were just never meant to be dealt more than two cards I guess. I think it makes sense to eliminate the very worst of the games such as Badeucey from mixes to try and get more people into the games. But it's not feasible to try and go too far to attract players who get feelings like being uncomfortable, intimidated, or other games are too complicated.

Some players new to mix think limit poker is boring or are indimitted by it since they've never played it. That's why something like the £1/1 big bet mix with a £100 cap that runs at some casinos in England seems like a great mix. Gambly and low stakes with some familiar games for few players.

Every single person who plays a new game feels somewhat uncomfortable and intimidated... unless they are degens. Not trying to make new players feel comfortable is exactly why so few people play mixed games.

Would you rather play a really juicy lineup playing fairly boring mixed games or play the same ~20 guys and have to keep adding new games for action?

Let’s give these scared little rabbits a pillow, hot chocolate, and 80% of their losses back.

I’m basically playing with ya man, but from my experience going after LHE and NLHE players is a lost cause. You are trying to argue against me but I’m actually close to agreeing with you.

You can however target PLO and OE players by being smarter and taking truly bad games like Badeucy out. OE is a very popular mix on its on so simply branching out to something like TOE is a great start.

You know more than I do about this. I was mainly basing this off of what i see in NL and my own transition from NL to mixed games. Tons of people are transitioning from NL to PLO.

Why do you think PLO players are more interested in mix than a NL? I feel the opposite, I think capping PLO would be better and attract more LHE and NLHE to hop in.

Oh I think so because PLO and OE players already made the jump to play something new.

But LHE probably more likely than PLO but NLHE is last in what I have observed