Hands I observed.

Reg opens Btn-2. Respected Pro flats button and draws 3

Reg opens btn-3. Respected Pro flats SB and draws 3.

Is this standard?

Doesn’t seem standard to me. 1st one maybe okay because on button, 2nd seems bad oop


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It might be "standard" in some games, but it's almost for sure not good, if reg is opening HJ or earlier and getting cc by a "respected pro" who draws 3. Only thing I can possibly think of is that either the reg is loose/bad/steaming, or the pro feels strongly about his/her ability to manipulate players who may come in behind and make the pot MW.

Many split pot triple draw games play 6max and 1 player sits out (in a typical full 7 handed live mix game). Sometimes all 7 players are dealt in.

Either way, the reg opening HJ or UTG should have a range consisting of strong two-way 2 cd draws and better. Putting in 1.5-2 small bets against a range that dominates us is not good imo.

example 2 is certainly lighting money on fire

i could see the merit in example 1 if the blinds are too loose and are very bad at drawing. it may still end up being a fold regardless.

Imo, these spots are on the wrong side of good. But draw is so much more player dependant and position drawing is almost worth a card on its own.

Person maybe had 2223x or 2333x and can eliminate cards.

I personally try to not draw 3 in these spots but it's not some unbelievable senerario.

Worth noting draw is very slow swingingy. It tilts the best of players.

Hmm. I was thinking being in the SB is better than having no money invested OTB.

I've played very little of this game and even less non-HU, but I think the issue is flatting in the sb and drawing 3 has lots of reverse implied odds. You'll make lots of mistakes on latter streets both in betting and drawing decisions. Your ability to bluff (I know there isn't too much bluffing in this game, but then semibluff say) is much more limited. Whereas none of that is an issue on the button. It's hard to say in any mathematical sense if the button has more than half a small bet advantage to compensate from not having money invested, but I'd believe it.

Much easier to play in position. More reasonable from the BB given the price. HU from SB is a leak.

I only play these hands in BB or as an open from c/o or later

Respected pro is a multiple time WSOP bracelet winner in limit mix games and plays nosebleed stakes.

I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt. Could be he's done calculations most have not, reaching non-intuitive conclusions. The other possibility is that he knows reg plays very poorly postflop.

What is this game?

This was observed at mid stakes mix at commerce.

I agree with this. One less opponent who could wake up with a monster too.

Btw a guy who plays nosebleeds and is sitting in a “mid stakes” mix game is gonna play atrocious.

No, I meant is this Ace to Five Triple Draw? lol

Perhaps I'm dense, because I was not sure but if I'm confused it's certainly possible that complete newbies would be. Anyhow, might be best to use real name of game instead of nicknames, especially when new games pop up all of the time.

Anyhow, I don't like the calls. Maybe he has looked at calculations maybe he hasn't, but they aren't hard. Can't just look at hot/cold equities, as two card draws will under realize by something like 10-20% because they are a card or two behind. So accounting for under realization you may be around a 60/40 dog against most two card draws and 80/20 against one card draws.

Whether he ends up ahead or not may not be proveable. I say not, but don't think he is printing money in this spot. In other words you can be a respected pro dude without going up hill all of the time.

Here's a play I kind of like, say you are on the button with something like A2A2 and cut-off or HJ raises. You can re-raise them, draw the 3, and if you win you have a nice LAG image and possible tilt equity with guy on your immediate right.

I think it's a close call on whether or not position is better than being half invested. Position can win you pots in this game that you would not have won otherwise.

You play 200-400+. if you sit in a 80-160, are gonna completely change your opening ranges?

That’s not nosebleeds vs mid stakes. If I sit 20/40 the answer is yes I play atrociously

Why?

I've never understood this. I could play for nickels and still take the game seriously and play to the best of my ability.

Playing poker well is boring. Folding isn’t fun.

Yeah, that's true, but I've still never gotten the urge to play looser when I'm in a smaller game than usual. I don't have much gamble in me in general though.

I definitely know people who play better at 2/4 than 80 fwiw

I've only met a handful of people who played nosebleeds, and then could play well at smaller stakes. I'm certainly not one of them.

damn i thought this was about actual acey deucey. I got suspended once for playing that **** on the lacrosse bus

they're folds against reasonable ranges but i'd call with blockers vs people who can open 3 from those positions, or open real trash hands, i suppose

Most of you likely massively udbevalue hands like 2-3 in Badeucy. I’m not saying it’s akwyas right to cold call and draw 3 but there are certainly times I do it and lots of reasons for when it’s fine.

If it’s badeucy you couldn’t pry 2-3 (and some
Other hands) out of my hands here for a single raise. It’s certainly not a leak

Not uncommon to see a 2-3 played. It's valuable to listen to the table commentary to see who's a pro and who thinks they're a pro.