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2-7TD semibluff gone awry 2-7TD semibluff gone awry

05-10-2020 , 12:31 AM
3 handed 2-7td, part of a mix. Villain is a LAG, probably too loose and too agg

Predraw: btn raises, I 3bet T9742, btn 4bets, I call
1st draw: 2/1 (I think I'm always d2'ing this hand regardless of 3rd street action)
Flop: I check/call Q7442
2nd draw: 2/1
Turn: I check/raise J9742 and get 3bet, I call
3rd draw: hero?

Result:
Spoiler:
I d1 but felt I should've d2 or folded turn. Villain though could be capable of 3betting with a worse pat hand, although hadn't seen this exact spot previously. I check/folded river with 97742. Could've tried to bluff in some way but felt suicidal against this villain.
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05-11-2020 , 12:46 AM
Strong preference for x/c D1 on the turn. I guess you should probably fold to the 3! as played
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05-11-2020 , 01:31 AM
Yeah think I prefer call and D1, I know that play is positive EV.

I definitely don’t checkraise here as we haven’t seen enough blockers. And we block a ten which blocks him somewhat from making a ten which he would break if your plan was patting the jack had he just called.

Then once reraised against villain as described it’s a tough spot since pot is huge, no reason to put ourselves there in this one
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05-12-2020 , 07:27 PM
So the oop check/raise/pat to get villain to break better is one of the classic 2-7 plays but I've heard recently on a stream that it's not too in vogue anymore. I guess because people don't overbreak to this action anymore so it doesn't work as an exploit? I remember in dorm room games owning people with this move over and over. I didn't want to check/call just to draw to a 9. If I had an 8 draw I'd never do this.
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05-12-2020 , 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by zoogenhiem
So the oop check/raise/pat to get villain to break better is one of the classic 2-7 plays but I've heard recently on a stream that it's not too in vogue anymore. I guess because people don't overbreak to this action anymore so it doesn't work as an exploit? I remember in dorm room games owning people with this move over and over. I didn't want to check/call just to draw to a 9. If I had an 8 draw I'd never do this.
What are you hoping someone will break? A ten? They will but they would also break that if you check/called and patted the J.

A nine? Possibly, but you block one nine. He won’t break anything better.

And you haven’t paired significantly along the way so his better hands are more likely. So a c/r is clearly out.

A check call to a nine feels bad because you are quite an underdog to win the pot and are only calling because of pot size.

It’s possible check/calling patting is better than c/c and drawing to a nine.

Btw I just read the spoiler and saw you chose to D1 to a nine after the reraise. That seems like the worst option of all. A real 3bet hand a nine is drawing dead, so you might as well just pat the jack if you decide not to fold. But uncertainty here is another reason why c/r was bad.
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05-12-2020 , 11:46 PM
agree that turn xr is a high-risk, low-reward scenario and unlikely to be more profitable than x /d1.
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05-19-2020 , 06:39 PM
you are raising way too thin if you are raising this turn with this. If you assume the original c/r works then you also assume opponent will not 3bet that much and make life hard for you therefore you should fold to a 3bet, or not check/raise.
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05-31-2020 , 12:46 PM
I check/call turn and pat. I think we have too much equity here to fold. You can't check/call and D2. And we're 5/13 to improve our 9 and when we improve it generally doesn't even matter.

I don't think Villain will make the parlay of bluff patting behind with a good draw and continue betting river. I think we can exploitably check/call turn and if Villain pats behind then check/fold river. If Villain D1 and bets river when checked to...it sucks but probably have to call.
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