HUHU 2-7td

Predraw: btn raises, I call bb 873
1st draw: 2/3
Flop: x/x
2nd draw: 2/2
Turn: I bet 87553, btn raises, I call
3rd draw: 1/0
River: I lead 87543, btn raises, hero?

Mistakes elsewhere?

Check-call the river. If he's snowing, that's your only way to make money on that street. If he isn't snowing, you are probably EV neutral with your bet when called, and stuck in this spot when he raises. Is he raising as a continued snow, or does he have a strong hand? You're getting 9:1 at this point, so you probably call against most opponents who will play this game heads-up. When you do call and win, they will whine about "How could you call, I saw three of the deuces?!!"

Cheers, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

I prefer x/c on the turn and I'm good with a b/f on the river into a 2-pat range.

As played leading river is just terrible here you should be c/c. 87543 is the second worst 8 iirc.

I think you can fold when you bet turn and get raised as well. This could be a bit nitty though. I think c/c turn is right play.

Please don't take offense to the word terrible it's not meant to be a slight against you I just think the river decision is very bad. Learning is important.

87543 is the 3rd worst 8 not containing a 2.

i think b/f river is totally fine

the bet goes in better, and villain is going to have a lot of 2-pat hands, that this hand is now beating.

Nowhere near the 2nd worst 8...and as I said in a previous comment leading river is correct.

do you ever b/f river here if say turn goes

turn check, villain bets, we call - 1/1 - river we lead and get raised?

typically i'm not bet/folding any 8's here but i think even less so unblocking 2222

I wouldn't expect a bluff-raise to be 22, but rather a fair number of those should be used as bluff-catchers. Long story short, no, I won't b/f this hand in 1:1 - you can even beat some thin value sometimes.

oh yeah i guess that's true

i can certainly see someone raising a worse 8.

and i'd have no reason to raise 22 myself in this spot, being bet into.

Thanks for clarifying how bad the 8 was all.

I think I should clarify why I think betting river is bad.

Straight up.....the mix games I play in out in on the east coast are dealt 7-8 handed so there is almost always a shuffle. I cant remember the last time I saw someone call a river bet with a 9.

I tend to forget that most places don't play it that way and that they keep the game at 6 handed, and if it is 6 handed I guess a river bet is fine, but I still feel like the hand is a better bluff catcher.

How often in 6 handed 2-7TD are people betting 9's and T's in cash? (real question please it's not rhetorical.

HUHU is definitely a different animal from FR with a shuffle.

if you're asking how often people should lead a 9 in this spot, hard to say. maybe never? a 9 should function quite well as an auto bluff catcher here. and some T's, depending on their configuration and opponent's bluffing frequencies.

Why wouldn't we bet flop being a card ahead v a d3? Is it because d3's are more likely to improve to a stronger d2 than our 873 (because he likely started with 23, 24, 27)?

Still, I have a hard time folding any 8 hu v a button steal. I've been convinced that b/f river is ideal, but also wonder how correct it is for button to raise a 9 on the turn? Would just a call and pat be terrible with a 9? I'd play some better 8's this way or even a strong 7 that can bet or raiser river. If I do raise turn, I'd like to be able to profitably call or raise a river bet unless it was to get villain to break or a snow, some of which I'd be raising again on river as well

I'm sure this is why I'm not beating this game yet. I miss value and am too spewy in spots?

catchup potential in 2/3 or 3/2 situations is high and they turn into pretty good draws, yes