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04-04-2019 , 01:57 PM
2nd in a series of hands I'll be sharing from a recent HU SNG. In this hand, 20+ BB deep.

Predraw: I raise T8744 on the btn, bb calls
1st draw: bb d3, my 874 is rough so vs the d3 I thought it best to just d1 with the intention to snow on a lot of pairs
Flop: bb checks, I bet with T8764, bb calls
2nd draw: bb d1, my 8764 is rough so seems best to keep telling the story of a strong hand and semibluff by patting and hoping to elicit a fold on the turn, especially since bb's draw probably isn't that strong since he didn't check/raise
Turn: bb checks, I bet with my pat hand to keep telling the story and for value if bb isn't improved (will/should bb ever lead here if he improves to pat? should I ever check it back?)
3rd draw: bb d1, I pat
River: bb checks, Hero? It seems like I can only value bet if villain will put me on a lot of snows since I am repping a very strong hand. I'd hate to get check-raised. My intention was to call a lead, is that good?
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04-04-2019 , 11:47 PM
Zoo, I’m not try to be condescending but I think you need to work on some 27 fundamentals

On the turn since you guys were both D1 Villain should be leading out with any 9 or better and some Ts. C/R can be done on occasion but it’s a change up play.

Then you certainly would want to bet the turn as you have a pat ten. The story doesn’t matter, he’s almost always drawing and you have around 60% equity probably

The river is not a bet for value. He can call worse due to snow catching but our bet when called needs to be good >50% of the time to be value and we aren’t going to hit that here.

Last edited by ScotchOnDaRocks; 04-04-2019 at 11:53 PM.
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04-05-2019 , 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by ScotchOnDaRocks
Zoo, I’m not try to be condescending but I think you need to work on some 27 fundamentals
I mean, that's why I'm posting here. I haven't played all that much and there isn't a ton of easily digestable material on this game out there.

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Originally Posted by ScotchOnDaRocks
On the turn since you guys were both D1 Villain should be leading out with any 9 or better and some Ts. C/R can be done on occasion but it’s a change up play.

Then you certainly would want to bet the turn as you have a pat ten. The story doesn’t matter, he’s almost always drawing and you have around 60% equity probably
Certainly something that's becoming very clear to me now about 2-7 is how important leading is. Coming from an NLHE background, it's just so common to check to the aggressor. Now I know in 2-7 that the drawing lead is more important than the betting lead, but still when we draw equal numbers or I drew more than my opponent, my default is to check to the villain since I expect them to bet a lot and can check/raise my value hands. But seems like people (correctly) check back more than I assume they will, from which again I actually take 2 lessons: 1) I need to lead for value more, 2) I need to check back more when I'm on the other side of the coin.
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04-05-2019 , 12:23 PM
Yeah I hear ya bud, in addition to posting you can accelerate your learning curve by reading chapter in SS2 or checking out DD’s videos on deuces cracked.

I’m also currently working on a set of videos on 27TD that I believe will be more comprehensive then anything out there. It looks like I will have around 15 videos ranging from 15-25 minutes apiece just on turn play alone.
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04-05-2019 , 04:09 PM
Wasn't second draw 1-pat?
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04-05-2019 , 04:53 PM
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Wasn't second draw 1-pat?
Whoops yeah sorry misread action, still we are betting turn though

And villain should not have a lead range
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04-05-2019 , 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by zoogenhiem
I mean, that's why I'm posting here. I haven't played all that much and there isn't a ton of easily digestable material on this game out there.


Certainly something that's becoming very clear to me now about 2-7 is how important leading is. Coming from an NLHE background, it's just so common to check to the aggressor. Now I know in 2-7 that the drawing lead is more important than the betting lead, but still when we draw equal numbers or I drew more than my opponent, my default is to check to the villain since I expect them to bet a lot and can check/raise my value hands. But seems like people (correctly) check back more than I assume they will, from which again I actually take 2 lessons: 1) I need to lead for value more, 2) I need to check back more when I'm on the other side of the coin.
The initiative in draw games is determined not by last bettor on the last street as holdem, but by the number of cards drawn
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04-21-2019 , 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by ScotchOnDaRocks
Yeah I hear ya bud, in addition to posting you can accelerate your learning curve by reading chapter in SS2 or checking out DD’s videos on deuces cracked.

I’m also currently working on a set of videos on 27TD that I believe will be more comprehensive then anything out there. It looks like I will have around 15 videos ranging from 15-25 minutes apiece just on turn play alone.
Where will you post those videos?
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04-21-2019 , 01:18 PM
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Where will you post those videos?
Not sure yet. May create my own website or distribute them directly somehow.

I've done them all and will probably let some friends of mine who are high stake mixed game pros take a look and render opinion.

Honestly I think the material is good, but I would often flub my words. It's tough to make these videos, much tougher than I thought. Awkward to do, although I started getting used to it. So I'm not sure how much some of this awkwardness takes away from quality of material. So I may redo a lot of them.

Given all of that and summer is coming up meaning I will have an average BAL of .25 for next 4 months, not sure of timeframe.
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