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Originally Posted by zoogenhiem
To clarify, freezing is when a good pat hand just calls, right? And the purpose of a freeze play as I understand it is to not overplay some more middling pat hands and to induce players to pat incorrectly. So I want to clarify what line you're suggesting, Scotch. Do you want to check/call and draw 1 so we don't get frozen by a better pat hand? What do you think of the check/raise/pat line?
And also to clarify as played where it goes bet/call turn you are happy to check/call river whether it goes 0/1 or 0/0, right?
Yes freezing serves a few purposes, first is not to value own yourself against better pats and have villain pat worse. I think either betting and patting and checking are reasonably close. As I mentioned I think checking is slightly better but not going to say betting and patting is worse. I mean no one really knows for sure or at least I don’t think they do. But 2345 is good enough that I don’t want it to get freezed.
I’m not happy in either of those cases but I made a case for why we would be more apt to call with T2345 than T9873 that extends for reasons beyond having a better ten which in reality shouldn’t matter. In theory against certain opponents we could call both or neither. But in more unknown territory T2345 is better imo
0/0 I am certainly not calling. We only beat a freeze bluff and players that do that tend to have a rough ten and we block a ten