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Old 08-14-2017, 09:44 AM   #1
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2-7 TD, 2 to pat 87532 multiway

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UTG raise, HJ fold, CO call, Hero(BTN) call 7329J, SB call, BB call

2:2:2:2

SB ch, BB ch, CO bet, Hero(BTN) call 732KA, SB call, BB call

2:2:1:2

SB ch, BB ch, CO bet, Hero(BTN) raise 87532, SB call, BB fold, CO 3bet, Hero call, SB call

1: pat:...
Hero break or pat? What about freezing COs first bet on turn multiway IP?
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Old 08-14-2017, 08:14 PM   #2
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Re: 2-7 TD, 2 to pat 87532 multiway

Something is wrong in this write up. UTG opens, CO cold calls, and 3 over calls put 5 players in the pot. Then you never mention UTG again.
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Old 08-15-2017, 12:09 AM   #3
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Re: 2-7 TD, 2 to pat 87532 multiway

As written, I guess, CO turn 3 bet is spew if he's not pat.

But that pretty much gives you the answer. If he 3 bet in position, then you'd have to take into account a few things before deciding whether or not to break. Not in this example. He drew 1 OOP and you have an 87. The only hand I think the SB could possibly have that already has us beat is exactly a weak 86 - he's 95% to be drawing again.
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Old 08-15-2017, 04:52 AM   #4
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Re: 2-7 TD, 2 to pat 87532 multiway

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6-handed

UTG raise, HJ fold, CO call, Hero(BTN) call 7329J, SB call, BB call

2:2:2:2

SB ch, BB ch, CO bet, Hero(BTN) call 732KA, SB call, BB call

2:2:1:2

SB ch, BB ch, CO bet, Hero(BTN) raise 87532, SB call, BB fold, CO 3bet, Hero call, SB call

1: pat:...
Hero break or pat? What about freezing COs first bet on turn multiway IP?

Sry guys, got something mixed up. UTG is BB in this hand.

Predraw UTG raise, HJ fold, CO call, Hero(BTN) call 7329J, SB call, BB fold, UTG call

Will try to post with hand converter next time
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Old 08-15-2017, 10:48 PM   #5
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Re: 2-7 TD, 2 to pat 87532 multiway

I am pretty much never breaking here. Pat, call and lose a bunch.
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Old 08-16-2017, 08:09 PM   #6
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Re: 2-7 TD, 2 to pat 87532 multiway

Why should he expect to either call or lose? The CO 3 bettor has just drawn. Nobody has bet. If anyone bets river, it would be us.
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Old 08-16-2017, 10:49 PM   #7
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Re: 2-7 TD, 2 to pat 87532 multiway

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Why should he expect to either call or lose? The CO 3 bettor has just drawn. Nobody has bet. If anyone bets river, it would be us.
I think in his HH a third player (SB calls two cold) sees the third draw and takes one then the 3-bettor pats in front of us...
would need reads on the 3-bettor IMO against an aggro opponent or read less online I would pat (only play micros) but against a weak-tight live player I probably break and D1, Is V someone who will 3-bet any pat hand here or does he only 3-bet 8 perfect or better here (some live players). If you pat how wide would V value bet the river?
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Old 08-17-2017, 04:11 AM   #8
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Re: 2-7 TD, 2 to pat 87532 multiway

Ok I see now, was confused by HH.

Lots of good dead cards, you've gone 2-pat, and the SB is getting jammed in the middle, which gives the CO plenty of incentive to 3 bet turn. You have a pretty smooth 87, so if you are beat, only a 4 or 6 will allow you to improve (and raise the river as well). I'd guesstimate you have 3-4 clean outs if you break. I think your hand is too strong to break and would just pat behind and call one bet.
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Old 08-17-2017, 07:38 AM   #9
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Re: 2-7 TD, 2 to pat 87532 multiway

Pretty standard to stay pat and try to show down cheaply because you beat some other 8s that might take this line
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Old 08-17-2017, 01:47 PM   #10
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Re: 2-7 TD, 2 to pat 87532 multiway

I probably would pat and feel bad about it. Glad others agree it's a good line. I'm surprised no one has suggested breaking. It's not like we have 87632 or 87543.
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Old 08-25-2017, 04:43 PM   #11
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Re: 2-7 TD, 2 to pat 87532 multiway

3-bet this on the button every single time.
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