villain is unknown, he has a 5$ bounty, initial stack is 3000



PokerStars, $10 + $1 - Single Draw 2-7 No Limit - 75/150 (40 ante) - 7 players


UTG: 5,853 (39 bb)
MP: 10,255 (68 bb)
MP+1: 5,093 (34 bb)
CO: 5,639 (38 bb)
BU (Hero): 7,393 (49 bb)
SB: 7,548 (50 bb)
BB: 10,642 (71 bb)

Deal: (505) Hero is BTN with 7♣ 3♦ 6♥ 3♠ 4♠
2 players fold, MP+1 raises to 412, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets to 1,050, 2 players fold, MP+1 4-bets to 5,053 (all-in), Hero?


And would you 3bet predraw (consider the gut shot straight draw)?

First calculate the chip value of the bounty. $5 got you 3000 chips, so a $5 bounty is worth 3000 chips. So there's 5053+1050+505 = 6608 in the pot, you have to call 5053-1050 = 4003 to win 6608+3000 = 9608. You're getting 9608:4003 = 4003/(9608+4003) = 29.4%. People who know ranges in this game can take it from here.

With no read I much prefer a flat and draw 1. As played, it's a fold. You don't have the odds and he will have a pat hand here almost always.

If this is a progressive bounty then you actually only get half of the posted bounty, so $2.50, and that changes the calculation (it would only be worth 1500 chips in that case).

Thank you really a lot for you detailed comments.

Actually 3000 chips was referred to the starting stack, which costs $11.

Yes I'm aware 3000 chips was starting stack and the buyin was $11, but what's relevant for this calculation is that your buyin was actually $5+5+1, meaning $5 to the main prize pool, $5 to the bounty pool, and $1 to rake. Therefore, your 3000 chips cost $5, so $1 is worth 3000/5 = 600 chips. What I wanted to clarify is the nature of the KO in this tournament. If it's a standard KO, you get all $5, but if it's a 50% progressive KO, you only get $2.50. If it's 33% or 67% PKO you get something else. So that's very relevant to our calculation. If you're still confused about how to calculate the bounty equity, I suggest finding a video Nanonoko released on YouTube a few years ago that goes over it in depth.

^^

I will, and I should also take some math lesson :-) thank you again

btw. yes, it was a progressive KO

Does anyone think the reraise size is poor regardless of holding? Or is 2.5x basically fine in a shallow situation in position? My feeling is we give villain too good a price to call and take one.

Reraising in position is good, the blinds cover and flatting invites one of them to squeeze. I think rr>folding>flatting. This is a poor draw to commit with so I think any size that will A) exclude the blinds who are both deep enough to ship effectively post and B) give hero room to fold -- is good. Not terribly concerned with the opener, since he will either ship or flat, and if he ships we should fold. This size seems okay to me and takes advantage of a sizing error on the part of MP1.

Barring specific exploitation, MP1 should probably have opened to t700 or something, near full pot, to make isolation expensive enough that it would force commitment if he shoves in defense. Whether he plans to shove or not, it should be looming in the mind of anybody who wants to play the pot. With a shortish stack well covered he can't really nibble away; he should appear prepared to leverage his whole stack.

A small open gave hero enough headroom to reraise without commitment, and I think hero played it fine up to here.

Just did some sims. Looks like we have about 40% vs a pretty conservative shoving range which surprises me. I grunched and didn't notice this was a bounty question, and though I've never played a bounty tournament and the bounty consideration baffles me slightly, I'll take a shot. Since we can win the bounty but MP1 can't, it's a pure overlay and seems like we have to call the shove regardless. If there were no bounty consideration we could fold to the shove. Since that's the case and we are basically making a commitment decision by reraising, the reraise may as well be bigger to be functionally more effective in shutting out the blinds.

I'll admit I may be misunderstanding the value of the bounty and look forward to being corrected.