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Old 09-21-2017, 02:14 PM   #1
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$109 WCOOP 2-7TD Snow spot, all 2's dead vs button clicker

Villain is super spewy, loves to click the raise button. I've seen him 3betting and drawing 2 OOP in multiway pots, betting unimproved a bunch, even saw him bet into 2 people while he was a card behind (2:1:1) after only catching up to a 1CD.

I'd like a line check for this snow spot, particularly on the turn. I 3b the T9 to get him off some of the few hands (ie T's and 9's) he may be beating me with and I know with all the 2's dead, his value range is cut down massively. It just felt weird turning my hand into a bluff when I could be ahead quite often.

PokerStars Limit Triple Draw ($100+$9) t400/t800 - 6 players

BB: t49,600 (Hero)
UTG: t13,525
UTG+1: t27,150
CO: t6,825
Button: t26,800
SB: t24,350

Dealing Hands: (t600) T 2 2 2 4 (6 players)
2 folds, CO raises to t800, 2 folds, Hero calls t400

First Draw: (t1,800) (2 players)
Hero discards 3, CO discards 2,
2 4 || 3 T 2
Hero bets t400, CO raises to t800, Hero calls t400

Second Draw: (t3,400) (2 players)
Hero discards 1, CO discards 1,
2 4 3 T || 9
Hero bets t800, CO raises to t1600, Hero raises to t2400, CO raises to t3200, Hero calls t800

Third Draw: (t9,800) (2 players)
Hero stands, CO discards 1,
2 4 3 T 9
Hero checks, CO checks
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Old 09-21-2017, 03:38 PM   #2
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Re: $109 WCOOP 2-7TD Snow spot, all 2's dead vs button clicker

I know in real time it's hard to lead the river after he just 4 towned you, but you're 2:1 Fav when he draws 1. I think river is B/C, otherwise nice hand.
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Old 09-21-2017, 03:43 PM   #3
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Re: $109 WCOOP 2-7TD Snow spot, all 2's dead vs button clicker

Not a snow. I think the river check is just fine.


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Old 09-21-2017, 03:49 PM   #4
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Re: $109 WCOOP 2-7TD Snow spot, all 2's dead vs button clicker

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I know in real time it's hard to lead the river after he just 4 towned you, but you're 2:1 Fav when he draws 1. I think river is B/C, otherwise nice hand.
I thought at the time it seemed thin to v bet T9 but then against this particular player I'm probably getting a bunch of value the times he just spaz raises or calls me with bluffcatchers

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Old 09-21-2017, 03:51 PM   #5
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Not a snow. I think the river check is just fine.


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I see what you mean. It felt like a snow as I was trying to force him off a slightly better hand and seemed like I was over representing my hand by capping the turn

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Old 09-21-2017, 08:47 PM   #6
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Re: $109 WCOOP 2-7TD Snow spot, all 2's dead vs button clicker

Keeping a ten after the flop is awful. k/c draw 2
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Old 09-21-2017, 09:22 PM   #7
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Re: $109 WCOOP 2-7TD Snow spot, all 2's dead vs button clicker

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Keeping a ten after the flop is awful. k/c draw 2
Ordinarily I would say you are right, and it could be a leak on my part, but I will relax my target to a 9 when heads up after opponent drew 2 in normal circumstances. That you have seen all the twos shifts the field to drawing 1 to the smoothest T OK in this instance.
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Old 09-21-2017, 11:09 PM   #8
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Re: $109 WCOOP 2-7TD Snow spot, all 2's dead vs button clicker

agree keeping t after flop is spew, lead also seems bad (leading a tiny percentage ok)

As played bet the river to fold out better ts/maybe 9s

Edit: I guess against this opponent just x/c if he isn't folding bad los

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Old 09-22-2017, 02:26 AM   #9
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Re: $109 WCOOP 2-7TD Snow spot, all 2's dead vs button clicker

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agree keeping t after flop is spew, lead also seems bad (leading a tiny percentage ok)

As played bet the river to fold out better ts/maybe 9s

Edit: I guess against this opponent just x/c if he isn't folding bad los
I wouldn't normally keep it, but I wasn't intending on taking my hand to SD after seeing all the deuces. If I had completely bricked on 2nd and paired my T for example, I was still planning on leading/jamming and patting. I figured that was better than trying to draw 2 on the turn and then likely draw 1 on the river where he's more likely to hero call me.

I do think I missed a river bet though looking back.

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Old 09-22-2017, 02:33 AM   #10
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Re: $109 WCOOP 2-7TD Snow spot, all 2's dead vs button clicker

Keeping the ten is not good but are you wanting to bet the river for value or as a bluff? Bluffing with this hand is awful.


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Old 09-22-2017, 03:03 AM   #11
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Keeping the ten is not good but are you wanting to bet the river for value or as a bluff? Bluffing with this hand is awful.


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With the pot odds he gets I could see him sigh calling with J's/Q's maybe, not sure. I have a lot of strong hands I play this way until the river where I would lead most of the time and c/r a small %. I should also have some snows here right?

We know he can't have any 7's and there are only four 8's he can make (#9, #13, #16 and #18). However there are ~29 9's/T's without a deuce he can make that beat my T9432. My plan was jamming turn to get him to break those as he would raise all these hands IP on the turn.

Had I completely bricked though on 1st/2nd but still caught the case 2, how would you choose to play it?

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Old 09-22-2017, 03:07 AM   #12
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Re: $109 WCOOP 2-7TD Snow spot, all 2's dead vs button clicker

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With the pot odds he gets I could see him sigh calling with J's/Q's maybe, not sure. I have a lot of strong hands I play this way until the river where I would lead most of the time and c/r a small %. I should also have some snows here right?

We know he can't have any 7's and there are only four 8's he can make (#9, #13, #16 and #18). However there are ~29 9's/T's without a deuce he can make that beat my T9432. My plan was jamming turn to get him to break those as he would raise all these hands IP on the turn.

Had I completely bricked though on 1st/2nd but still caught the case 2, how would you choose to play it?

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Old 09-22-2017, 03:16 AM   #13
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Re: $109 WCOOP 2-7TD Snow spot, all 2's dead vs button clicker

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You're suggesting to not play my hand as a snow since I caught somewhat decently on 1st? My only problem is then having to draw 2 again on the turn against a guy who will showdown light in that situation since I'm either going from 2 to pat or 2 to 1 on the river.

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Old 09-22-2017, 06:59 PM   #14
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Re: $109 WCOOP 2-7TD Snow spot, all 2's dead vs button clicker

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Ordinarily I would say you are right, and it could be a leak on my part, but I will relax my target to a 9 when heads up after opponent drew 2 in normal circumstances. That you have seen all the twos shifts the field to drawing 1 to the smoothest T OK in this instance.
NO, it still doesn't. While it obviously drastically weakens his range, the way to exploit that is to draw to hands he can't beat and then when you miss snow more often, not to draw to a ten. You don't need a 2 to beat a ten. Seriously, this is really, really bad.
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Old 09-23-2017, 06:06 AM   #15
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Re: $109 WCOOP 2-7TD Snow spot, all 2's dead vs button clicker

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NO, it still doesn't. While it obviously drastically weakens his range, the way to exploit that is to draw to hands he can't beat and then when you miss snow more often, not to draw to a ten. You don't need a 2 to beat a ten. Seriously, this is really, really bad.


Yeah this. When you hold 234 and have seen all the deuces, plan A should be to make a hand he is drawing dead against.
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Old 09-25-2017, 07:52 PM   #16
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Re: $109 WCOOP 2-7TD Snow spot, all 2's dead vs button clicker

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I know in real time it's hard to lead the river after he just 4 towned you, but you're 2:1 Fav when he draws 1. I think river is B/C, otherwise nice hand.
No. It really isn't. I think river is a very clear check-call.
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Yeah this. When you hold 234 and have seen all the deuces, plan A should be to make a hand he is drawing dead against.
This.
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