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07-07-2014 , 04:05 PM
Damn, seems like the actual unpopular opinion around here is the one that I hold:

Reigns is awesome.

Not as awesome as Ambrose or Rollins, but who is?
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07-07-2014 , 06:26 PM
I don't hate Reigns, but WWE is wanting to go:

Cena > Reigns > everyone else

when for me:

Ambrose, BNB, Cesaro, Wyatt, Lesnar > Reigns > Cena, Sheamus, Del Rio, Kofi, Big E, Russev, etc.
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07-07-2014 , 06:44 PM
Getting back with the thread:

Cesaro's post WM booking has been some of the worst ever (as far as momentum killing goes) and they would have been far better off to turn him face
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07-07-2014 , 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by darO
Getting back with the thread:

Cesaro's post WM booking has been some of the worst ever (as far as momentum killing goes) and they would have been far better off to turn him face
I'm not sure how unpopular this is but I agree 100%. The botch of Cesaro post WM still isn't as bad as how much they botched the Summer of Punk, Nexus, and Invasion angles though.
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07-07-2014 , 08:10 PM
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Your trolls are not even mildly entertaining.
Yeah, because anyone that disagrees with you is automatically a troll. Sorry, but I got a newsflash for you: There are MILLIONS of WWE Fans just like me. That's why John Cena is by far the most marketable wrestler in WWE. It's why he has been on top of the sport for the past decade.

You can keep living in your fantasy world where some great technical wrestler is at the top of the sport (Dean Malenko, Chris Benoit, Sami Zayn, El Dandy or whichever mediocre wrestler you have a hardon for at the moment) but the fact is that John Cena IS the greatest wrestler in WWE right now (by a long shot) and when his music hits the arena erupts and you can just feel the excitement similar to great ones before him such as Goldberg, Stone Cold, and The Rock.
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07-07-2014 , 08:13 PM
BTW, you calling someone a troll everytime they disagree with you is in itself a troll. I understand that this is your forum and you want to control what people think here and drive people that disagree with you away but last I checked this is an open forum and we are free to form our own opinions. I guess it's permissible to bully people on twoplustwo when you have more than fifty-thousand posts.
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07-07-2014 , 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by GrindPokerAllDay
BTW, you calling someone a troll everytime they disagree with you is in itself a troll. I understand that this is your forum and you want to control what people think here and drive people that disagree with you away but last I checked this is an open forum and we are free to form our own opinions. I guess it's permissible to bully people on twoplustwo when you have more than fifty-thousand posts.
this opinion is the rare retroll
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07-07-2014 , 09:00 PM
I like Ambrose's theme.
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07-07-2014 , 11:15 PM
I think WWE made the right call with Lesnar ending the streak AND they should put the strap on him
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07-08-2014 , 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by darO
Getting back with the thread:

Cesaro's post WM booking has been some of the worst ever (as far as momentum killing goes) and they would have been far better off to turn him face
I doubt you'll find many people that disagree with you on this.
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07-08-2014 , 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by GrindPokerAllDay
Yeah, because anyone that disagrees with you is automatically a troll. Sorry, but I got a newsflash for you: There are MILLIONS of WWE Fans just like me. That's why John Cena is by far the most marketable wrestler in WWE. It's why he has been on top of the sport for the past decade.

You can keep living in your fantasy world where some great technical wrestler is at the top of the sport (Dean Malenko, Chris Benoit, Sami Zayn, El Dandy or whichever mediocre wrestler you have a hardon for at the moment) but the fact is that John Cena IS the greatest wrestler in WWE right now (by a long shot) and when his music hits the arena erupts and you can just feel the excitement similar to great ones before him such as Goldberg, Stone Cold, and The Rock.
1.2 trade. We might need to turn this into the grind scale if this keeps up
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07-08-2014 , 08:31 AM
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1.2 trade. We might need to turn this into the grind scale if this keeps up
The thing is that I'm fairly convinced that Trade is actually for real. This guy, no.
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07-08-2014 , 09:40 AM
What do the Cesaro momentum people think they should have done? I just don't see any space for him in a position on the card above where he is now. I think he could have been booked in a more interesting fashion, but I'm not sure it's at all reasonable to expect the WWE to have thrust him into the Main Event scene. Especially when you consider how handicapped they were by the ambiguity over Bryan's health (which I think people are not appreciating how much this fouled up their plans).

I'm a huge Cesaro fan and my ideal WWE would have him at the highest level possible, but sadly he's going to be behind like 6-8 other dudes, all of whom are more over with the more markish (and larger) parts of the audience.
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07-08-2014 , 09:43 AM
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What do the Cesaro momentum people think they should have done?
Midcard title, keep having him mow people over, build up that title while keeping him strong.
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07-08-2014 , 10:42 AM
You think that elevates him beyond where he's at now and capitalizes on the momentum? To me that would basically have him in the same spot. He'd be Sheamus, which he basically is now (and that's not a bad thing)

Ideally the WWE would stop pretending people care about Kane and have Cesaro in his spot (not storyline wise, but card wise). Beyond that I'm just not sure what you do- especially given the totally reasonable Shield push that now has created 3 more singles players in that same picture.
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07-08-2014 , 11:19 AM
I don't think anyone suggested he should be in the main event scene. Just give him something interesting to do instead of these mini feuds that mean nothing. Rusev is getting longer programs than Cesaro at the moment.

I think there's the assumption that people want all their favorite wrestlers to have the title and be in the main event. I really don't care who has the belt has long as the show is fun to watch.
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07-08-2014 , 12:02 PM
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You think that elevates him beyond where he's at now and capitalizes on the momentum? To me that would basically have him in the same spot.
No, but I do think that it both does the job of elevating a belt and also keeps him doing something interesting. I'm fine with his spot; he hasn't lost his spot, and whenever he turns on Heyman it will go over huge and he'll be in great shape. I know I'm preaching to the choir when I say this to you specifically, but you can't have like eight skyrocket main event pushes going on simultaneously. Some have to have a lower ceiling.

But it would give everything a better structure if it was re-established that a wrestler should very rarely get to the main event without having a midcard title reign first. It would make the IC Title something people truly cared about, because it would be the big milestone that it used to be for a wrestler in between the debut and the main event scene.

Of course, you would also have to book him interestingly as champion rather than just having him lug around a scrap of metal that he clearly doesn't care about. Despite the company's sporadic attempts to care about their midcard titles, they just never have it in them to follow through for long.
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07-08-2014 , 01:03 PM
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I don't think anyone suggested he should be in the main event scene. Just give him something interesting to do instead of these mini feuds that mean nothing. Rusev is getting longer programs than Cesaro at the moment.

I think there's the assumption that people want all their favorite wrestlers to have the title and be in the main event. I really don't care who has the belt has long as the show is fun to watch.
I'd agree with this, Cesaro hasn't been booked interestingly,(part of this is the had a weird mini feud with Sheamus that led into MITB but just felt like killing time) but I'm not sure that's about or impacts "momentum". Nor do I think it's a "botch" of his victory at Mania.

I don't think everybody wants him to have the belt/be in the ME scene, but I'm just not sure what they do want when they complain about stuff like this.
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07-08-2014 , 01:06 PM
One thing Cesaro shouldn't be doing is jobbing out to Kofi.
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07-08-2014 , 01:24 PM
I originally thought the terrible booking was intentional, leading to him blaming Heyman for the lackluster run and turning full blown babyface to feud with Lesnar etc. Now I'm leaning towards them just not knowing what the **** to do. I guess he's probably the favorite to win the IC title and defend it against Kofi a couple times.
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07-08-2014 , 01:28 PM
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One thing Cesaro shouldn't be doing is jobbing out to Kofi.
I've yet to see RAW from last night (on vacation) but I don't see losing via roll up as jobbing so much. Especially if you murder the guy after, and especially if it's to build the credibility of the people you'll be going over at the PPV.
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07-08-2014 , 01:38 PM
Yeah I don't see it as jobbing either. If Cesaro does win the IC title, it's an easy way to feed him his first opponent and give Kofi some credibility.
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07-12-2014 , 11:36 PM
Not sure this will be an unpopular opinion.

Meng and The Barbarian, both singly and as a tag team, are two of the most underrated wrestlers EVER.

Benoit has two LMS matches with Meng on ppv in 97. Please seek them out and watch them. Barbarian also has lots of good stuff in 96/97 in WCW.

Meng also has a top notch 7 or so minute match vs. Goldberg on Nitro during Goldberg's streak.
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07-13-2014 , 01:19 AM
I guess I don't really know how those two are widely rated. They were certainly both good workers.
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07-13-2014 , 06:42 AM
Meng/Haku had some good matches but I don't think he was a really good worker match in and match out. He had a lot of really bad matches as I recall, although perhaps he would have had fewer bad matches in a different time and place. They were above average big men workers for their time and place. Whether they are very underrated depends on how they are rated, which I don't know.
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