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01-06-2012 , 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by amplify
They should just let Henry wear a mic and headset and give commentary for his own matches like Rock used to do.
I'll be pretty upset if Rock doesn't do commentary during his match at wrestlemania.
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01-07-2012 , 12:19 AM
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great smackdown, back to usual i guess.

loving the imminent 3 way match with 2 monsters vs one little guy as opposed to the usual 2 little guys vs 1 monster. i actually think it would be a great match at wm.

henry on commentary was pure gold.

irm: i stand by saying ziggler will make an amazing face, and its the role he is most suited to. i think its very hard to see right now, but time will tell
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01-07-2012 , 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by JimHalpert
Good lord cole is like superaids tonight
Cole was vvvv bad but he buried Booker as an announcer which is worthy of at least a partial
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01-07-2012 , 12:49 AM
I thought his commentary after the Booker/Cody match was the aidsiest of all. Completely undercut what they were going for I thought. At least Henry was there to make him shut up during the Bryan match.
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01-07-2012 , 12:52 AM
Also, if they make it where Bryan keeps getting himself intentionally disqualified for the next few months in his defenses and build it up to Bryan vs Show vs Henry in a no DQ match @ WM and have him make one of them tap out I'd pretty much not care what else was on WM itd be amazing
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01-07-2012 , 01:02 AM
I think Ziggler will eventually be the next Edge.

Multi time champion and able to flip between being a face or heel depending on the story line.

All he has to do is get over as a face then he'll be able to go back to being a heel that everyone likes.
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01-07-2012 , 01:04 AM
the best/worst part of the episode was following up AJ looking ridiculously hot with Hornswoggle. seriously **** him being on any of these shows.
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01-07-2012 , 01:25 AM
Henry is so ****ing awesome. I said the other day that Johnny Ace, Punk, and Ziggler were the 3 best things in the company but Henry might be ahead of them. He just plays his character so perfect and was the best wrestler on commentary since Punk. Ace, Punk, Ziggler, Henry, and Cody are just so much better than everyone else right now.

Last edited by Dylan; 01-07-2012 at 01:25 AM. Reason: Barrett being right up there, and of course Y2J will be awesome.
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01-07-2012 , 01:33 AM
lol @ Big Show's shoe size of 18 EEEEEE
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01-07-2012 , 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by tpir
Phill what do you mean by suddenly? They have been teasing this for at least a few weeks now with Bryan's over-exuberant douchey celebrations. Either way IRM hit the nail on the head with:
I disagree this was obviously going to happen, but im perfectly happy to admit i may be wrong and this was planned from a bunch of weeks back. But i think the celebrations at first werent really douchy, or i completely missed something, the first time with the failed cash in on Henry was clearly legit and sold the pain of having the result overturned perfectly, then the win at TLC including rubbing it in Coles face was pretty face and on Raw with Punk and Ryder that was pure face. I think this has been much shorter in the planning than it seems.

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Originally Posted by ItsRainingMen
so if i'm to understand the main event end game here...

smackdown main event heels: barrett, bryan, henry, rhodes, christian

smackdown main event faces: big show*, orton, sheamus

*really he isn't credible, but for reasons completely unknown to me he'll be there

i guess i don't hate it. you have 7 guys who on any given week can carry the WHC (f big show), but the imbalance will lead to stale feuds in a hurry. tbh i'm not really sure how to solve this, although i would like to see orton drafted to raw and punk drafted to smackdown. yea, it would be a step back for punk, but he'll be allowed to step away from the super-punk bull**** we've been watching, and a punk feud with 4 of those 5 heels (f henry) could be awesome


raw main event heels: miz, adr, y2j (apparently won't be around past summerfest tho), ziggler
raw main event faces: cena, punk (whatever's left or RMJ i guess)

i didn't realize til i typed it out but seriously, that's it. it's out of this world bad how bad wwe is getting faces over as headliners (i attribute this 100% to PG). i guess u could count ryder and truth on the face side, but really, they're not. truth will be annoying as hell again, and the longer ryder goes without having cena/punk/ziggler to carry him, the quicker fans will realize he really brings nothing to the table but a catchphrase

4 legitimate main event faces to 9 heels and they think they have enough depth to justify a brand extension. i guess, really, supercena the champ is here dabba doo isn't cena's fault.

of the 9 heels the only one i think can actually be over as a face is miz. jericho probably could but u really can't count on him for very long

lol wow, that is pretty damn bad
OK, lets pull the details:
Faces: Big Show+, Orton, Sheamus, Cena, Punk, Rey
Heels: Barrett, Bryan*, Henry, Rhodes, Christian, Miz, ADR, Jericho, Ziggler
+Big Show is apparently going to face Shaq so that requires a heel turn
*Bryan is assumed to be turned heel here ldo

Well, first thing first, its clear the plan for the first two quarters on Raw is Jericho heel turn and winning the number one Elim Chamber match, feud with Punk, goes over Punk at WM or maybe the following PPV, Cena over at WM, feud Jericho with Cena through to Summerslam, have Cena retire Jericho in some way - assuming you are right with the contract situation for Jericho this makes the most sense to me by far.

On Smackdown we are locked into Bryan holding through to WM and if he is being turned then having Orton go over at RR as has been rumoured makes sense. Orton will take on Barrett at EC in Feb with Bryan defending successfully in the cage. Orton almost certainly goes over at WM then i figure Orton and Bryan will go back and forth like happened with Christian last year to get Bryan solidly over with a blow off at Summerslam, maybe blown off a bit earlier depending how the crowd is reacting but i figure if any pairing can get 6 straight PPV main event matches and not be boring its those two. If not there is always heel Big Show, Barrett again, Cody again, someone drafted over like Ziggler.

So that gets us to the midway point in the year. They will probably need to throw in some chaff to be taken out by the wheat, with Cena and Jericho feud especially needing more build rather than the back and forth i think Bryan and Orton will have. One change i expect at the draft is Henry being moved to the Raw brand then being fed to Cena between WM and Summerslam, probably at MITB the PPV directly before it to maximise his velocity.

The definitely need to turn one person on Raw, or somehow do something unthinkable and bring someone in face to instantly feud at the top of the card, which i cant see happening. It all depends on injuries, but i figure Jericho (c) vs Rey is a go to mini feud that has produced a lot in the past and could be revisited to fill in for a PPV, Miz could be turned without much problem i think, he was almost a face last year at a few points, and given ADR is struggling to find his groove as a heel having him turned makes sense too.

They could always push Kofi as a main event face, or at least as far as having him take on Jericho at a PPV such as Bragging Rights. I dont think Kofi is a main event guy, but he is ridiculously over so he can easily fill in that role in the short term.

All in all they really need to fix the heel face dynamics. However is was a huge problem last year too but they made it work thanks to a face turn from Punk and an epic epic gimmick tweak to Henry. I dont think its as bad as it looks, especially as they start stacking the bottom of the deck with more talent coming up with Tyler Black, the other indy guy whose name i never remember and presumably we will get the Kings moving up shortly.
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01-07-2012 , 09:44 AM
Smackdown thoughts:

- Loved the opening segment. Booker still looks good in the ring and having Cody go over clean is nice. If beating a legend like booker and then (presumably) beat his own brother doesn't put Cody over as a top heel, I don't know what could. I like that plan a lot.

- Whatever gets AJ on the screen is fine with me.

- Lol Hornswoggle. No damage done I guess, because noone pays attention anyway.

-Hunico and Camacho coming out with the bike is hilarious. I like Hunico quite a bit actually, I just hope they give him some time to develop. That being said, he'll probably never be more than a generic mexican heel.

- So Jinder is in Sheamus' league now? Do not want... So, first Jinder loses to DiBiase several times and is on his way out and a few weeks later DiBiase is the jobber and Jinder is set to go up against one of the top faces??

- It sucks to be McIntyre. I don't really care about him tb. His entrance is great though, may be my favorite actually. I guess it's still possible that they let him hit rock bottom and then start pushing him. Also, I don't need to see Santino matches. I actually like at least some of his comedy segments, but I don't need this guy in the ring on a regular basis.

- Am I the only one who thinks that Rosa is super annoying? I can't stand her voice. I do not care one bit about the tag "division". Too bad...

- Love how they pushed Natalya and Beth as a a "dominating" force and then have Natalya drop every single match she's in. That would be super annoying if I actually cared about the divas.

- Main event was pretty good. I liked the ending but I have no idea whether turning Bryan is a good idea or not. But it sure looks like that's where it's going.

There was a lot of aids in this show, but the parts that mattered - Cody going over, Bryan defending - were well done and advance the story lines nicely.
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01-07-2012 , 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by tpir
lol @ Big Show's shoe size of 18 EEEEEE
I'd have thought bigger than 18. I have size 15 feet and he's WAY the hell bigger than me. But they might have just pulled a shoe size number out of their asses there.

Last edited by LKJ; 01-07-2012 at 10:18 AM. Reason: Shaq's shoe size is 23.
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01-07-2012 , 10:42 AM
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-Hunico and Camacho coming out with the bike is hilarious. I like Hunico quite a bit actually, I just hope they give him some time to develop. That being said, he'll probably never be more than a generic mexican heel.
I still dont get who the hell Camacho is or why he is there. Like, i can use google to find out, eventually cos he has no wiki page, he is the son of Haku. But that is literally it. Why is he with Hunico, what is he meant to do? Ive seen him in like two matches with Hunico and neither one he has done anything but ride him to the ring on the bike.

Fwiw i liked the leglock pin move he won that match with, but he needs a complete gimmick overhaul if he is to ever move beyond midcard jobber once he starts getting over and is hated enough by the crowd to be worth jobbing out.

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- So Jinder is in Sheamus' league now? Do not want... So, first Jinder loses to DiBiase several times and is on his way out and a few weeks later DiBiase is the jobber and Jinder is set to go up against one of the top faces??
Is it just me? Cos i seriously cant work out what the WWE sees in Jinder Mahal. Maybe its just a case that they understand how his gimmick works and interacts with others cos its pretty old school (ie "American-Indian in wrestling = Indian who hates America") but his ring work is pretty average, ive not seen anything outstanding in his mic work other that accidentally changing accents now and again which is unintentionally hilarious and i dont think he is over. It doesnt help that he has literally no motivation or logic to anything he does since Khali quit the company and even that was paper thin and illogical in itself.

I mean, basically Barrett and Sheamus are talking so for no reason Jinder thinks its a good idea to come walk out and, like, attack Sheamus who has pretty much destroyed everyone for the better part of a year and makes former WWE champ Miz run away, a guy with kayfabe anger issues, like, why the hell is he attacking him? Its not like Sheamus even has a title he wants to take from him. And if he wants to attack a face to make a name for himself the world heavyweight champ is basically the perfect choice.
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01-07-2012 , 11:08 AM
I can't believe they named him Camacho. I mean I can but lololol. And the reason seems clear to me: in Vince's mind Mexicans that aren't involved in lawn care are gang members. #HeGotABahsickle
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01-07-2012 , 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by magodeoz84
- Am I the only one who thinks that Rosa is super annoying? I can't stand her voice.
Moar dancy less talky.
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01-07-2012 , 08:24 PM
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I still dont get who the hell Camacho is or why he is there. Like, i can use google to find out, eventually cos he has no wiki page, he is the son of Haku. But that is literally it. Why is he with Hunico, what is he meant to do? Ive seen him in like two matches with Hunico and neither one he has done anything but ride him to the ring on the bike.
Hunico and Camacho are boyhood friends and together they want to take over the WWE or something like that. Hunico shortly explained it 1 or 2 weeks ago.
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01-07-2012 , 11:01 PM
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Is it just me? Cos i seriously cant work out what the WWE sees in Jinder Mahal.
he is solid in the ring, and good on the mic when he is speaking english (relative to how new he is). but more importantly he is indian, which is rapidly becoming a major wrestling country and gets them views from that group. in fact i read recently there is an indian pro-wres company opening soon over there.

the reason it looks like he sucks is because of how unbelievably terrible every angle he has had since he came to the wwe is. i mean how are you supposed to make a good debut when you start off working with khali and are forced to speak in a language noone understands?
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01-07-2012 , 11:06 PM
phill - enjoyed that post quite a bit.

i think the face vacuum is great, because it will force them to turn zig, which will be amazing
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01-07-2012 , 11:31 PM
The Indian wrestling company us actuallu TNAids
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01-07-2012 , 11:44 PM
I don't think jinder is solid in the ring at this point
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01-07-2012 , 11:47 PM
I was never sold on Jinder's skills, either. I do appreciate how awesome the Camel Clutch is, though.
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01-08-2012 , 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Wallypop
I was never sold on Jinder's skills, either. I do appreciate how awesome the Camel Clutch is, though.
Pretty much the default Indian/Arab finisher in WWE
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01-08-2012 , 07:09 AM
If you're wondering what WWE sees in Jinder, it's the fact he's Indian. Khali was massively over in India, where most of the WWE audience are total marks, and made them a ton of money - with his retirement, WWE needed a replacement as 'token Indian dude'. Mahal is their best bet, even as mediocre as he might be.
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01-08-2012 , 08:02 PM
what are ratings like for WWE TV shows in India?
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01-08-2012 , 09:33 PM
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If you're wondering what WWE sees in Jinder, it's the fact he's Indian. Khali was massively over in India, where most of the WWE audience are total marks, and made them a ton of money - with his retirement, WWE needed a replacement as 'token Indian dude'. Mahal is their best bet, even as mediocre as he might be.
I think they'd do better just having Kofi put a dot on his forehead than letting that stiff Jinder take up my precious television space.
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