Open Side Menu Go to the Top
Register
**WWE Raw/Smackdown Viewing Thread** **WWE Raw/Smackdown Viewing Thread**

01-29-2019 , 12:16 AM
Maybe the booing is actually Kayfabe too. They could be booing Rhonda because she's Becky's opponent. Which would be basically what WWE wants, the fans invested in the story they're telling.
**WWE Raw/Smackdown Viewing Thread** Quote
01-29-2019 , 12:24 AM
It seems like they are being super ****ty because they are booing Ronda the person and not Ronda the character, and for absolutely no good reason.

Wrestling fans can really be awful sometimes. Meltzer report sure didn’t help anything.
**WWE Raw/Smackdown Viewing Thread** Quote
01-29-2019 , 12:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OneOut
Maybe the booing is actually Kayfabe too. They could be booing Rhonda because she's Becky's opponent. Which would be basically what WWE wants, the fans invested in the story they're telling.
No way, they were chanting Becky/Becky's theme all throughout the match with Bayley, and then right as Ronda's promo started they were basically trying to drown her out. It's pre-meditated and it has everything to do with Becky smarkdom.
**WWE Raw/Smackdown Viewing Thread** Quote
01-29-2019 , 12:36 AM
My point against that would be again that they were cheering Seth pointing to the WM sign. It didn't seem like a very smart crowd.
**WWE Raw/Smackdown Viewing Thread** Quote
01-29-2019 , 12:57 AM
Well ya, we agree! It was an idiotic crowd that ruined the show.
**WWE Raw/Smackdown Viewing Thread** Quote
01-29-2019 , 01:58 AM
wrt becky stuff: I think most of it is in kayfabe. I don't think people think of Ronda as a threat but more that Becky walks on water and Ronda cost Becky the title at TLC. Had that not happened, I seriously doubt we get Becky chants during Ronda segments.

I missed RAW live but watched unspoiled in about 30m . A rare time that a Ronda match disappointed. They seemed to have no chemistry at all.

I'm surprised there was no mention of Dean bending over anticipating the curb stomp for literally a minute while Seth spun around and then did the burn it down tune up thing and then finally did his move. Talk about an insane burial of a guy. What a feud.

Brock not putting Rollins through a table at the end when Seth was goading him was disappointing to say the least. But not as disappointing as Seth no selling 5 F-5's.
**WWE Raw/Smackdown Viewing Thread** Quote
01-29-2019 , 02:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LKJ
Ban all hipsters from continuing to breathe, let alone attend WWE events. The fact that any crowd is turning on Ronda is such a disgrace. "Contrary for the sake of it" isn't actually supposed to be a legitimate ideology.
Hopefully once AEW launches they can go to their shows instead and cream their pants about watching Kenny Omega wrestle Cody 50 times next year.
**WWE Raw/Smackdown Viewing Thread** Quote
01-29-2019 , 02:31 AM
Adding Charlotte to this Becky/Ronda dynamic would be so so bad.

Booing Ronda is pretty weird to me, but it makes for a better story I think and I like Ronda in the heelish trash talking mode she was in tonight vs. "this is what it means to be a champion!!" stuff. This was a particularly dickish crowd and I imagine Ronda will have more supporters elsewhere, but I think this is the way to go with the feud anyways. Anyone who is in Becky's way is getting booed at this point and it's better for fans to pick a side than have some wishy-washy face/face thing.
**WWE Raw/Smackdown Viewing Thread** Quote
01-29-2019 , 04:04 AM
In this feud we have Becky arguing that they had to fight for everything they've earned in the business while complaining that the Ronda got to walk in and be handed everything on a silver platter. Then Becky says she'll beat her at Mania.

Then you have Ronda who says she was given opportunities because she was out main eventing PPVs in a sport that didn't want women, that becky was on the preshow while she was stealing the show at wrestlemania, and that she could break Becky's face faster than you could say Nia Jax.

The person that says she's earning things and will prove it at mania is the face.

The person that's taunting the other person for working hard and getting their face broken is the heel.

The heel cost the face the title in December by interfering and pushing her off a ladder.

We finally get a feud where the crowd actually cheers the face and boos the heel and we're acting like it's a problem.

Beckys great. Rondas great. Match should be great. Not everything needs to be a huge problem.
**WWE Raw/Smackdown Viewing Thread** Quote
01-29-2019 , 04:15 AM
I've never understood the point of storylines like they ran with Vince and Finn for the Rumble. Vince comes out and gives this giant promo about how David can't beat Goliath, how Finn isn't good enough, and how it's kind of a waste of a RR match. Then Brock crushes Finn in 8 minutes.

I understand that Finn isn't beating Brock. He shouldn't. I'm not even a fan of his. I just don't understand what the point of doing storylines where a face is told they aren't good enough and then gets proven right and then the story moves on. It's hard to build faces as it is and that doesn't help. They do it quite frequently too.
**WWE Raw/Smackdown Viewing Thread** Quote
01-29-2019 , 06:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JimHalpert
I've never understood the point of storylines like they ran with Vince and Finn for the Rumble. Vince comes out and gives this giant promo about how David can't beat Goliath, how Finn isn't good enough, and how it's kind of a waste of a RR match. Then Brock crushes Finn in 8 minutes.

I understand that Finn isn't beating Brock. He shouldn't. I'm not even a fan of his. I just don't understand what the point of doing storylines where a face is told they aren't good enough and then gets proven right and then the story moves on. It's hard to build faces as it is and that doesn't help. They do it quite frequently too.
Vince has never viewed Finn as a World Champion-level face. He's a solid upper-mid carder 4 life.
**WWE Raw/Smackdown Viewing Thread** Quote
01-29-2019 , 06:54 AM
I admit I had forgotten that Ronda actually had that interference spot in the ladder match. I had increasingly gotten the impression that she was just being treated as the heel because the fans had turned on her en masse for not being Becky. I still get the vibe that they're lighting her on fire in non-Becky segments purely for contrarian reasons rather than for face/heel reasons, but I suppose I can accept that the kayfabe explanation as being part of it.
**WWE Raw/Smackdown Viewing Thread** Quote
01-29-2019 , 07:01 AM
I don't think Finn really comes out of that Brock match worse for wear, since he got a ton of offense in and was made to look like a legit threat before suddenly losing on a reversal. Brock has enough credibility at this point that I really don't see that match as hurting Finn during any future push they might want to give him.
**WWE Raw/Smackdown Viewing Thread** Quote
01-29-2019 , 10:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LKJ
I don't think Finn really comes out of that Brock match worse for wear, since he got a ton of offense in and was made to look like a legit threat before suddenly losing on a reversal. Brock has enough credibility at this point that I really don't see that match as hurting Finn during any future push they might want to give him.

Agree. Brock didn’t “crush” Finn. He was in huge trouble then escaped by trapping Finn in one hold. Finn didn’t win but showed he “belonged” at that level.
**WWE Raw/Smackdown Viewing Thread** Quote
01-29-2019 , 07:37 PM
Yeah but that just accentuates Jim's point that the David-Goliath build was terrible. Goliath won. Goliath's don't win by counter submissions when they're in trouble. They win by crushing and destroying an inferior opponent.

That match finish should have been how David wins that match.
**WWE Raw/Smackdown Viewing Thread** Quote
01-29-2019 , 09:28 PM
What the holy **** just happened? Was this a botch?
**WWE Raw/Smackdown Viewing Thread** Quote
01-29-2019 , 09:31 PM
I am not sure either, Like what was that?
**WWE Raw/Smackdown Viewing Thread** Quote
01-29-2019 , 09:39 PM
Guess it can't be a botch with Rusev following. Really hope they're not turning him heel again so quickly. But good for Truth. Young guy like that needs the rub beating those two guys in one night.
**WWE Raw/Smackdown Viewing Thread** Quote
01-29-2019 , 09:43 PM
Rusev, Elias, Braun...all turned and then turned back again within a month or two. Big Show must be the new head writer.
**WWE Raw/Smackdown Viewing Thread** Quote
01-29-2019 , 09:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LKJ
I admit I had forgotten that Ronda actually had that interference spot in the ladder match. I had increasingly gotten the impression that she was just being treated as the heel because the fans had turned on her en masse for not being Becky. I still get the vibe that they're lighting her on fire in non-Becky segments purely for contrarian reasons rather than for face/heel reasons, but I suppose I can accept that the kayfabe explanation as being part of it.
I hope you're wrong. I noticed it start to happen more and more after TLC before it blowing up big the last couple weeks. I've been attributing it to the TLC match but I guess it wouldn't shock me if people are doing that "boo people cause others like them" stuff. It'd suck cause Ronda has been better than we could have ever anticipated.
**WWE Raw/Smackdown Viewing Thread** Quote
01-29-2019 , 10:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JimHalpert
I hope you're wrong. I noticed it start to happen more and more after TLC before it blowing up big the last couple weeks. I've been attributing it to the TLC match but I guess it wouldn't shock me if people are doing that "boo people cause others like them" stuff. It'd suck cause Ronda has been better than we could have ever anticipated.
It just seems to obviously be this. Watch the Ronda/Becky promo. It wasn't "booo she said she was gonna break Becky's face booo" it was a legit drowning out of anything she was trying to say. There's a particular vitriol there that doesn't appear to me to be kayfabe related instead it seems to be entirely based upon the fact that the fans view Ronda as a threat to Becky's reign.

The funny thing is I agree with your original point JH. If they were trying to make Ronda the heel in this matchup and Ronda was giving heel promos and the heat she was getting was a reaction to that it would be awesome. I'm just not even sure WWE views her as the bad guy in this feud.
**WWE Raw/Smackdown Viewing Thread** Quote
01-29-2019 , 10:31 PM
RTruth what a hero.
**WWE Raw/Smackdown Viewing Thread** Quote
01-29-2019 , 10:44 PM
The thing is that the only thing that can ever get WWE crowds to be truly molten hot is the sense - correct or not - that they're sticking it to the man (in this case Vince).

Mind you, I'm very appreciative that they scorched the earth to get Daniel Bryan his WM XXX moment, and the fact that they **** all over Bootista and Orton in the run-up to that Mania was totally appropriate, but Ronda is just an awful target for them to turn against. To me she's more compelling in the ring than Becky is, which is not at all an insult to Becky, who I love also. But Becky was NXT and Ronda wasn't, so **** Ronda.

Again I could be getting their intentions wrong, but that's just my sense.
**WWE Raw/Smackdown Viewing Thread** Quote
01-29-2019 , 10:49 PM
Geez Daniel doing everyone,c.m. punk gimmick, The Rock, Alundra Blayze. :P
**WWE Raw/Smackdown Viewing Thread** Quote
01-29-2019 , 10:50 PM
For anyone not watching Smackdown atm, the new Daniel Bryan is lamenting the loss of the cow that was killed to help make the WWE championship built, who he named Daisy, the fans in turn started chanting "thank you Daisy" and "good bye Daisy".

I genuinely think I'm incapable of making that up
**WWE Raw/Smackdown Viewing Thread** Quote

      
m