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12-22-2017 , 11:28 AM
Usually I can avoid those, but you got me with that one.
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12-22-2017 , 05:44 PM
Is chyna alive? Is Nicole bass?
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12-22-2017 , 05:47 PM
No.

And also no.

But most of the women who wrestled in the divas era are alive and still reasonably young enough that any number of those appearances seem possible.
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12-22-2017 , 06:15 PM
It's almost certainly going to turn into a celebration of women in WWE with a ton of surprise run-ins and feel less like a huge match to determine a title contender. I'm already annoyed in advance about it.
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12-22-2017 , 06:18 PM
Rumored to be in the women's rumble:
Spoiler:
Ronda Rousey
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12-22-2017 , 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by .isolated
Rumored to be in the women's rumble:
Spoiler:
Ronda Rousey
Asuka will eliminate her. Wrestlemania match, Asuka vs Ronda

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12-22-2017 , 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by SarcasticRat
It's almost certainly going to turn into a celebration of women in WWE with a ton of surprise run-ins and feel less like a huge match to determine a title contender. I'm already annoyed in advance about it.
You're making me hate it already.
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12-22-2017 , 08:49 PM
Santina had better be in it.
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12-23-2017 , 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Captain Luffy
Asuka will eliminate her. Wrestlemania match, Asuka vs Ronda

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I could get behind that, but I think Asuka has to win, unless Ronda's planning a long term WWE run. And even then...I think Asuka has to win.
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12-25-2017 , 09:01 PM
Not really doing anything right now, so I'll flip this on for now. Got a short leash though.
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12-25-2017 , 09:01 PM
Chicago crowd + John Cena is at least a promising start.
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12-25-2017 , 10:44 PM
Just started Raw. Not expecting much, but the guy in the crowd that shouted "Freebird!" when Elias was playing wins.
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12-25-2017 , 10:50 PM
It may be the egg nog, but opening segment quality stuff. Holy **** at John Cena selling Elias's punch.
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12-25-2017 , 11:05 PM
Yeah, opening segment was good. I can't really recommend anything else, so you might as well skip to live action now and go back if you feel like it.
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12-25-2017 , 11:05 PM
I take that back: the segments with Curtis Axel and Bo Dallas have been gold.

But still, skip to the IC title match going on now.
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12-25-2017 , 11:35 PM
Elias is a pretty good “old style” worker both on the stick and in the ring. I really enjoy the character. Worked a really good match with Cena.


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12-25-2017 , 11:50 PM
Have a bad feeling they're about to make an awful title change here.
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12-26-2017 , 12:10 AM
LOL

Even dumber than I thought it would be.

Why the **** did the ref stop counting?
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12-26-2017 , 08:16 AM
Elias is awesome.

Lol Jason Jordan.
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12-26-2017 , 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by chucksim
Elias is a pretty good “old style” worker both on the stick and in the ring. I really enjoy the character. Worked a really good match with Cena.


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Elias is awesome.
The first YT notification I read when I wake up this morning: Dave Meltzer buries John Cena vs Elias. lol'ed
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12-26-2017 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by .isolated
The first YT notification I read when I wake up this morning: Dave Meltzer buries John Cena vs Elias. lol'ed

Listened to that segment. Stupid. What they said it is clear what they wanted to do and they did it. Imo the worst aspect of the match was all the Cena garbage. Near Falls, marquee spots and the like.

Elias I thought worked a good match in an older style and made it look competitive and that he was trying to win instead of just hit spots. That’s what I enjoy. Clearly not what today’s fans enjoy. I guess it explains why I don’t much enjoy today’s product.
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12-26-2017 , 01:02 PM
I didn't see RAW because Christmas. Forgot it was even on last night until opening this thread earlier this morning.

Didn't listen to that segment yet because busy but I'll circle back to it. It sounds interesting. I think it's just hard for people to get invested nowadays because people wait for a few high spots and usually on the first signature move kickout we get the "this is awesome" chant if the match hasn't been offensively bad and then it's over after a few more high spots and/or finisher kickouts. Formulaic garbage.
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12-26-2017 , 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by .isolated
I didn't see RAW because Christmas. Forgot it was even on last night until opening this thread earlier this morning.

Didn't listen to that segment yet because busy but I'll circle back to it. It sounds interesting. I think it's just hard for people to get invested nowadays because people wait for a few high spots and usually on the first signature move kickout we get the "this is awesome" chant if the match hasn't been offensively bad and then it's over after a few more high spots and/or finisher kickouts. Formulaic garbage.
I always enjoyed when Bret Hart (and more recently, Daniel Bryan) would win matches using speciality pins (not distraction rollups). It was a genuine surprise & made it believable that they could beat guys bigger than them.
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12-27-2017 , 01:00 AM
That's kinda why the GTS is a garbage move. It either looks like crap and completely misses, or looks like crap and murders someone for real.
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