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12-16-2013 , 10:58 PM

#25476

blastoff

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one of the shield's biggest accomplishments is making at least something out of the usos. they were complete crowd-silencing nobodies for years.

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12-16-2013 , 11:02 PM

#25477

Bigdaddydvo

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Punk looking awesome here.

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12-16-2013 , 11:03 PM

#25478

Bigdaddydvo

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Yet that elbow looked worse than ever.

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12-16-2013 , 11:27 PM

#25479

Dylan

346 days til Christmas

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Heyman's teasing a Lesnar/Orton match on twitter.

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12-17-2013 , 12:02 AM

#25480

Bigdaddydvo

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Fantastic ME match.

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12-17-2013 , 12:03 AM

#25481

MidWestSide

old hand

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This has been a hell of a match

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12-17-2013 , 12:04 AM

#25482

Bigdaddydvo

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Awful ending.

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12-17-2013 , 12:06 AM

#25483

MidWestSide

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Originally Posted by Bigdaddydvo

Awful ending.

Save the great ending for pay per view

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12-17-2013 , 12:07 AM

#25484

uacm

journeyman

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I didn't mind the ending. There was no way DB could go over right there.

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12-17-2013 , 12:09 AM

#25485

diskoteque

Joey Local

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Originally Posted by Bigdaddydvo

Awful ending.

i think it was the perfect ending. it's hard to have a heel that people truly despise (as good as guys like ziggler and punk were, they were getting cheered which isn't the goal) and orton is getting legit heat from both casual fans and marks.

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12-17-2013 , 12:14 AM

#25486

Bigdaddydvo

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Originally Posted by diskoteque

On 2nd thought this is fair.

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12-17-2013 , 12:22 AM

#25487

moorobot

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I just don't care about the matches with Orton in it unless some quality storyline makes it compelling. Yes, with a worker of Bryan's caliber he can put on a very good match. So can 50-60 other wrestlers in the world. I'd rather see somebody with charisma be the lead heel.

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12-17-2013 , 01:01 AM

#25488

JimHalpert

Howlpert

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Can I get Raw cliffs please (specifically on this ending)?

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12-17-2013 , 01:08 AM

#25489

LKJ

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In the opening Orton was brought out and celebrated as the locker room stood at the top of the ramp and watched. Cena demanded that Orton have to face D-Bry tonight. Orton protested, but HHH and friends forced him to face Bryan.

Bryan and Orton put on a good match that ended dirty when Orton got DQ'd on purpose by hitting Bryan with a low blow. Cena came out for the save to help Bryan out, but Orton was left standing over both of them (I forget how exactly). Orton is dull as dishwater but he's developing good heat.

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12-17-2013 , 01:12 AM

#25490

JimHalpert

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Thanks LKJ

Any other segments worth my time?

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12-17-2013 , 01:18 AM

#25491

LKJ

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I don't really know, I drifted away from watching it despite the fact that they didn't offend me with anything painfully stupid.

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12-17-2013 , 01:19 AM

#25492

LKJ

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Originally Posted by LKJ

I don't really know, I drifted away from watching it despite the fact that they didn't offend me with anything painfully stupid.

This, of course, is purely a function of the horrendous three-hour format. ****ing jackasses. They've created a situation where my default is just to watch the opening segment and then decide whether I'm going to tune back in for the last segment, because the in-between time is just too long.

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12-17-2013 , 01:20 AM

#25493

JimHalpert

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Top 20% raw now a days then! I'll watch it all

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12-17-2013 , 01:20 AM

#25494

moorobot

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Originally Posted by diskoteque

The evidence stands against the assumption that great heels can't be cheered. Flair was cheered. The NWO was cheered. The Four Horseman were cheered. Many of the greatest heels ever were cheered, yet not only were great in and of themselves, but also were able to help build many new face stars.

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12-17-2013 , 01:25 AM

#25495

JimHalpert

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Originally Posted by LKJ

I don't even think it's the 3 hours that's the problem still. It's the fact that they are just stretching out a 2 hour raw into 3 hours (recapping previous segments, constantly advertising the app, irrelevant segments here and there) rather than using that extra time as a combination of getting more work in for other wrestlers lower on the totem pole (either like Kidd/Ryder/Gabriel or a couple NXT people) and fleshing out various storylines more than normal.

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12-17-2013 , 01:32 AM

#25496

LKJ

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Originally Posted by JimHalpert

I think the three hours is a pretty big problem myself. I really think that if you have a 20-minute segment to open that does a good job of hyping a 20-minute segment to close the show, you just took up 40 of the 120 minutes and you only have to convince people to watch the other 80. Follow a good first segment with a watchable second segment and a person will feel pot-committed to watching the whole thing. Instead I watch the first segment, and then even if I'm intrigued I have an itchy trigger finger to give up on the whole thing and then maybe come back for the end if I remember.

I might not be a representative sample though I guess.

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12-17-2013 , 01:37 AM

#25497

JimHalpert

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Well you do have a pretty good point, and I'd never really thought of it that way.

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12-17-2013 , 01:52 AM

#25498

moorobot

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Originally Posted by LKJ

Follow a good first segment with a watchable second segment and a person will feel pot-committed to watching the whole thing. Instead I watch the first segment, and then even if I'm intrigued I have an itchy trigger finger to give up on the whole thing and then maybe come back for the end if I remember.

But if the roster and writing was significantly better, watching 3 hours wouldn't be a problem, would it? If they had every wrestler from WWF, WCW and ECW circa 1997 and good writing, I'm watching just to see what happens next for all 3 hours; they don't have to hook me in segment one or two. Yes, spreading out 20-30 minutes of good material they muster a week over 3 hours makes the overall quality of the show worse than if they had spread it out over 2 hours, but the time isn't remotely the biggest issue.

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12-17-2013 , 01:58 AM

#25499

LKJ

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I mean obviously if the product was way better that glosses up most anything. But as long as you're working with a limited roster, three hours is only going to cause even more situations like Kofi Kingston working an informal best-of-65 series against The Miz for no actual reason. I kill the product for being so quick to shoot their load and blow through every feud within two months or less, but the overload of TV time makes it difficult not to do that.