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02-01-2019 , 10:40 PM
Knowing that Nailz later had a go at Vince McMahon for real, it really adds something to Vince's frantic commentary about how Nailz is a violent psycho who has no place in the company.
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02-01-2019 , 10:43 PM
Parking ticket getting flowers for his mom though.
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02-01-2019 , 11:02 PM
Mr. Perfect: "Hey McMahon, you know if Jane Fonda ever made one of those Tarzan movies?"
Vince: "I don't believe so. Why do you ask?"
Perfect: "She'd make a great Jane. Then again, what kind of a Tarzan would Kamala make? Not too good, huh?"
Vince: "No, I don't think so. Then again, Ted Turner would make a great Kim Chee!"

Vince didn't wait until he started losing the Monday Night Wars to hate on Ted Turner.

Obligatory Vince/Conan clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWbHHTNGz0M#t=06m53s
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02-01-2019 , 11:48 PM
Reposting, but seriously, WTF:

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On November 7, 2013, Leslie appeared at Toronto City Hall with a pair of shears and a submarine sandwich, claiming mayor Rob Ford "needed an intervention" in the wake of a high-profile crack cocaine scandal. Leslie offered to be Ford's "angel of mercy", saying "Maybe if he gets his body right, he will be able to get his mind right”. Security escorted him from the property. The day before, fellow wrestler The Iron Sheik also tried to visit Ford, and challenge him to an arm-wrestling match.
Random 80s wrestlers were just showing up daily to troll a Toronto mayor? This feels like something more out of the TLF solar system than actual reality.
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02-03-2019 , 03:51 AM
Surely their main motives were to just score some crack
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02-04-2019 , 09:57 PM
Just remembered by the way, on the previous topic of manipulating crowd noise back then: when Sid dumped Hogan out of the 1992 Royal Rumble, obviously the original live feed reflected the cheers of the crowd. Then they did a villain edit where Sid dumps Hogan out, the fans on the hard camera side pop huge, and the sound is a chorus of boos that is a hilarious mismatch of that clearly visible pop, all while Gorilla Monsoon decries Sid sneaking up "like a thief in the night."

Kind of surprised, but the non-manipulated version is what's on the network. I suppose there's no reason to protect Hogan's heat at this point.
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02-04-2019 , 10:01 PM
Interesting. I wonder if they uploaded a new version recently because TLF said the reactions were edited when they did their 92 Rumble episode which was like 3 years ago at this point. I've never seen so I'll have to check out somehow.
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02-04-2019 , 10:04 PM
Yeah, I just went and checked before posting, and it looks to be unedited. I was almost certain I wasn't just imagining that Monsoon "thief in the night" line on the villain edit, and I see it mentioned when I Google it.
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02-04-2019 , 10:05 PM
Bret Hart jobber match, after Bret gives his sunglasses to a kid.

Mr. Perfect: "He better stop worrying about that little brat kid, and start worrying about Shawn Michaels, the wrestler of the 90s."
Vince: "I don't know if he's worried about him, but obviously he's concerned."

I go and look up the dictionary definition of "concerned":

"worried, troubled, or anxious."

Seems legit.
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02-04-2019 , 10:16 PM
They were devoting segments nearly every week to the Beverly Brothers calling Legion of Doom "LOS: The Legion of Sissies" and the announcers acting like that's a sick burn.

I'm going to proceed under the assumption that Vince himself was the one who threw out that stupid idea.
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02-04-2019 , 10:32 PM
When Shawn turned first heel, after an entrance or two with Rhapsody in Blue, he moved on to the "Sexy Boy" theme sung by Sensational Sherri. Once he split from Sherri, he sang "Sexy Boy" himself. Okay, ha ha, funny, nice gimmick that he sang that about himself. IT WASN'T SUPPOSED TO LAST FROM 1993 UNTIL FOREVER.

The fact that it wasn't dead by 1994 was malpractice. The fact that it's forever his theme (aside, I guess, from the DX period) is egregious.
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02-04-2019 , 10:55 PM
and walking out to it at 50 years old or whatever the **** he is now...

Last edited by .isolated; 02-04-2019 at 10:55 PM. Reason: Rockers theme was elite
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02-04-2019 , 10:58 PM
Right. It should have died quickly. Then it should have died at the 1995 face turn. And then it could have never come back after he switched to the DX theme. I get that after he disappears for a long time, it's only appropriate to come back at that point to the classic HBK theme for the return pop, but after the first pop you have another chance to change again.

It's obviously never changing now, but damn if that isn't perhaps the single worst ratio of theme quality to quality of wrestler in WWF/WWE history.
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02-05-2019 , 05:55 AM
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Right. It should have died quickly. Then it should have died at the 1995 face turn. And then it could have never come back after he switched to the DX theme. I get that after he disappears for a long time, it's only appropriate to come back at that point to the classic HBK theme for the return pop, but after the first pop you have another chance to change again.

It's obviously never changing now, but damn if that isn't perhaps the single worst ratio of theme quality to quality of wrestler in WWF/WWE history.

Elite sign idea if you could get it on TV:

DESPITE PROTESTS TO THE CONTRARY SHAWN MICHAELS IS IN FACT MY BOY TOY
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02-05-2019 , 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by LKJ
Right. It should have died quickly. Then it should have died at the 1995 face turn. And then it could have never come back after he switched to the DX theme. I get that after he disappears for a long time, it's only appropriate to come back at that point to the classic HBK theme for the return pop, but after the first pop you have another chance to change again.

It's obviously never changing now, but damn if that isn't perhaps the single worst ratio of theme quality to quality of wrestler in WWF/WWE history.
Gotta disagree on this one

Sexy Boy theme is one of the GOATs and never gets tiresome imo

The older Shawn gets, the more ironically, hilariously awesome it becomes

I still find myself whistling this in the shower on occasion

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02-05-2019 , 10:31 PM
Once in a while, they would do a finish in a jobber squash where the superstar would pretty clearly get DQ'd or counted out, and there would be no official announcement.

As a kid, I always wanted a full-on Howard Finkel ring call of the jobber as the winner, but it never came in these spots. (They may have when Waltman and Horowitz won by pinfall, but different situations obviously.)
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02-05-2019 , 10:35 PM
Mike Rotundo was a good worker, but I've rarely seen a dude mail in his gimmick harder than he did with IRS. He always reacted like he was just being punished with a troll gimmick. The mailed-in "you're all a bunch of tax cheats" pre-match promos are priceless precisely because of how blatantly mailed in they were.

I mean, it was definitely a troll gimmick of sorts, but it wasn't Rotundo being trolled really. It was VKM doing the thing where he would inject his own politics into a character idea.
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02-05-2019 , 10:42 PM
Next week on Superstars, the reveal of the main event at SummerSlam!

God, hook that **** straight into my veins. I can't remember specifically being on pins and needles for that one, but I'm certain that I was, because those types of announcements were everything.

(Surely they're talking about revealing Savage vs. Warrior rather than Bret vs. Bulldog, but still.)
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02-05-2019 , 10:50 PM
Seeing the Natural Disasters, now fully established as babyfaces in 1992, reminds me of one of the most WTF moments I remember from Update growing up.

The Natural Disasters were formed when Tugboat turned heel during a six-man tag and attacked his partners, the Bushwhackers. I had actually missed this episode for some reason. When they did Update the following week, Mean Gene pulled up this clip of Tugboat's heel turn to show it again, and he instructed the audience, "watch Tugboat very closely."

Then this clip, starting at around 6:10, aired, and as instructed, I watched Tugboat closely:



I was left scratching my head and thinking, "Watch closely? WTF? The whole center of the segment was Tugboat turning heel. What else was I going to be watching if I didn't watch closely?"

When I think of WTF moments from Update, it's mostly just that one and the time that Lord Alfred Hayes hosted and referred to Jimmy Hart's clearly accidental guitar shot on Greg Valentine as something on the order of a "dastardly attack."
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02-05-2019 , 10:54 PM
By the way, speaking of canned noise, watch the crowd (closely) after Tugboat raises arms with Earthquake, a newly minted heel. The crowd is sitting on their hands. He's getting big heat over the broadcast that it doesn't feel was actually present.

People dug the Bushwhackers as a fun little side show a la Santino Marella, but they weren't going to be THAT defensive over them.
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02-05-2019 , 11:18 PM
Ah, I remember this jobber squash well, though I had misremembered the context.

Update announces Savage vs. Warrior. Back from break, next match is a Ric Flair jobber squash (against Headbanger Thrasher, as it turns out), where he and Mr. Perfect come out all ****ing furious and act that way throughout. I had thought it was because of Savage cheating to win the belt at WM, but it was because Flair got snubbed for the SummerSlam title shot, and in kayfabe he certainly had a point.

IIRC, Mr. Perfect comes back to the commentary booth after this acting really despondent and unable to get over it. I can already hear him saying "we were ripped off" before he says it.
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02-08-2019 , 07:40 PM
For the life of me I have no idea what they were doing setting Shawn Michaels vs. Rick Martel for SummerSlam '92. They almost never did heel vs. heel then, for good reason, so if they did it you would think it was with a face turn in mind, but that doesn't line up here either. Michaels sure as hell wasn't turning face in this spot, as he was a newly minted heel on a huge push. I guess anything's possible with regard to Martel, but that doesn't really match up either.

Jim Ross did give Martel some babyface sympathy in this match against Bastion Booger, but it didn't take place for another 15 months, and it also didn't ever lead to a full face turn:

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02-08-2019 , 09:58 PM
Although I was very much compelled by the Warrior-Savage angle leading into SummerSlam '92 where Mr. Perfect claimed that he had been negotiating to be in the corner of each, the fact that I was so into it was based entirely on how much love I had for Savage/Perfect/Flair. The angle itself is pretty stupid, and the fact that it paid off in ~nothing is fitting in hindsight even though it was very disappointing then.

The notion of Savage cutting a deal with Perfect just months after WM VIII was just not remotely credible. I appreciated Savage saying that he wouldn't deny it because he thought the mere possibility was shaking Warrior, but it never seemed plausible to me as a kid that Savage would join forces with Perfect/Flair right on the heels of a blood feud. Obviously this was in a more innocent time when they wouldn't just disrespect an entire blood feud from just months earlier; today I would have made a snarky post but not been remotely surprised.

I know that the rumor is that this was mapped out as a Warrior heel turn that Warrior exercised a last-minute veto on, but...what? Character-wise, Warrior is the furthest thing from a fit with Flair and Perfect as you can get. I can't buy them taking him on as their heel muscle or whatever. It's just impossible to imagine, and I've always had a hard time believing the rumor that it was supposed to be leading to a Warrior heel turn.
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02-10-2019 , 02:44 AM
Wow Ive never even contemplated the possibility of a Warrior heel turn, in kayfabe at least, he made a good real life heel in thr end until his babyface turn before his heart attack
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02-10-2019 , 09:44 PM
As far as most overpushed teams of all time go, the Nasty Boys are an underrated choice. I don't think they were nuzzled up to Hogan until the later years, so I have no idea why they were a thing for so long.
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