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05-10-2022 , 07:59 PM


Pretty optimistic about this.

I still haven't found much will to watch The Book of Boba Fett. It seems like a fairly universal take that it was an inferior show to The Mandalorian, and since I was more meh regarding the first two seasons of The Mandalorian than most...
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05-11-2022 , 06:36 PM
Your Boba Fett take is absolutely correct if you felt that way about Mando. They even kind of made it a point of emphasis that one show was spun off from the other. There were a few really cool things in there that you might not even appreciate all of them not being a follower of the expanded universe (books, etc...), though part of what I loved about S2 of Mando were the cameos and animated characters that were brought to life. Last episode was one hell of a ride though.

Not as crazy optimistic about Obi-wan because, although it will be cool to see all these characters and some cameos, how much can they really do?
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05-11-2022 , 06:49 PM
The issue with Boba Fett goes deeper than that, really: I still don't even understand why so many people think that's such a cool character.

Obi-Wan seems to me like it could add a fun part to the fabric of the SW universe, bridging that character's gap between Episodes III and IV. Obviously helpful that I like Ewan McGregor a lot.
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05-11-2022 , 06:50 PM
Hope we see Obi-Wan learning force stuff from Qui-Gon, like we did with Yoda in TCW.
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05-11-2022 , 06:58 PM
Would definitely be in for that. I can't really quibble with the decision to kill Qui-Gon at the end of Episode I, but selfishly there's definitely a part of me that would push good reason aside and keep him alive longer just because he was a great character that I wanted to spend more time with.
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05-11-2022 , 08:06 PM
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The issue with Boba Fett goes deeper than that, really: I still don't even understand why so many people think that's such a cool character.

Obi-Wan seems to me like it could add a fun part to the fabric of the SW universe, bridging that character's gap between Episodes III and IV. Obviously helpful that I like Ewan McGregor a lot.
I will say he's not really that same cool, bad ass character in this show. Hard to push him as such at his current age, but that was perhaps the most disappointing aspect of the show. The one thing you might enjoy in the show is that they bring closure to one minor Clone Wars situation.
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05-15-2022 , 10:43 PM
Good to know that Obi-Wan starts four years before Rebels, which should clear us of any danger of Ezra involvement in that series. Since it sounds like Sabine has officially been cast as part of the Ahsoka series, obviously they have their eyes on the use of those characters.

Not impossible that the other core Rebels characters could appear in Obi-Wan, but it seems unlikely for there to be a good organic way to include them.
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05-16-2022 , 01:50 PM
Happy Judgement Day Bloodbath day!

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05-16-2022 , 02:07 PM
I find your love for that match disturbing.
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05-16-2022 , 10:43 PM
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Good to know that Obi-Wan starts four years before Rebels, which should clear us of any danger of Ezra involvement in that series. Since it sounds like Sabine has officially been cast as part of the Ahsoka series, obviously they have their eyes on the use of those characters.

Not impossible that the other core Rebels characters could appear in Obi-Wan, but it seems unlikely for there to be a good organic way to include them.
They did bring in some younger Rebels characters for the Bad Batch, so it's certainly possible, but I don't think we see Ezra either, at least not in the first season. I wonder if they would recreate entire animated scenes in live action though.

I'm actually hoping we see a confrontation from one of the books with a character that was introduced in the Boba Fett show that took place in this time period. And I'm kinda thinking it's going to be shown because of the a particular appearance detail in Boba Fett.
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05-16-2022 , 10:47 PM
They keep calling it a miniseries, so I don’t there will be a second season.

I believe the story was originally imagined as a stand-alone film. But given the reception of Solo, they’ve focused their efforts into the D+ model and opting for smaller shows instead of blockbuster movies.
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05-16-2022 , 10:55 PM
Seems like an Obi-Wan movie would pretty much have had to be more commercially viable than Solo. Ewan McGregor as a lead is just so much more bankable than a relative unknown. I'm good with either format for this though.

I'll say, despite thinking Christensen was awful in Episodes II and III, on a human level it is pretty nice to see him getting a bunch of love on the pre-release press for this. Seems like a likable dude, and I'm sure he went through a lot with the reaction to his prior performances.
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05-17-2022 , 11:10 AM
It's amazing how arrogant Lucasfilm/Kathleen Kennedy were that they decided the problem was releasing too many Star Wars movies, not that their creative for the films could have actually been bad.
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05-17-2022 , 11:39 AM
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It's amazing how arrogant Lucasfilm/Kathleen Kennedy were that they decided the problem was releasing too many Star Wars movies, not that their creative for the films could have actually been bad.
I don’t think that’s the takeaway at all. They’ve clearly shifted more creative control to Filoni/Favreau in response, which most agree is a good thing.

I think we’ve talked about it before, but Solo was doomed for a bad reception. I actually love the film, but it premiered at probably the worst possible time. They also wanted it to *perform* like a Star Wars movie (when it’s just a Han Solo movie). Rogue One, while adored by many, did not smash any box office records either. After these two releases, it makes a lot of sense to dedicate the expanded world stuff to D+ shows and keep the big screen for the “real” numbered films.
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05-17-2022 , 11:57 AM
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood...l-be-televised

Interesting article in general, but I'm definitely looking forward to seeing what they come up with for The Acolyte. I'm glad they're expanding the timeline to outside the Skywalker Saga.

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The Acolyte, Headland says, takes place roughly 100 years before The Phantom Menace: “A lot of those characters haven’t even been born yet. We’re taking a look at the political and personal and spiritual things that came up in a time period that we don’t know much about. My question when watching The Phantom Menace was always like, ‘Well, how did things get to this point?’ How did we get to a point where a Sith lord can infiltrate the Senate and none of the Jedi pick up on it? Like, what went wrong? What are the scenarios that led us to this moment?”
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05-17-2022 , 01:23 PM
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I don’t think that’s the takeaway at all. They’ve clearly shifted more creative control to Filoni/Favreau in response, which most agree is a good thing.

I think we’ve talked about it before, but Solo was doomed for a bad reception. I actually love the film, but it premiered at probably the worst possible time. They also wanted it to *perform* like a Star Wars movie (when it’s just a Han Solo movie). Rogue One, while adored by many, did not smash any box office records either. After these two releases, it makes a lot of sense to dedicate the expanded world stuff to D+ shows and keep the big screen for the “real” numbered films.
I didn't hate the movie either, although I had problems with the recasting. However, they placed the blame on the poor performance on the fact that they released it too close to another Star Wars movie (The Last Jedi). The backlash from that movie clearly played a part in Solo's lack of success too, but they'd rather blame it on something else.

Acolyte could be very interesting with no character restrictions. I'm guessing we'll see Yoda. I wonder if this will be another part of the High Republic initiative they've been pushing for the last year or two.
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05-17-2022 , 01:43 PM
Solo had a much publicized and long series of reshoots. This both ballooned the cost and also diminished audience faith in the finished product. It was then released immediately after the poorest received Star Wars film in history, and just as the “oh, so they’re releasing a new movie every year?” fatigue was setting in. Hell, I didn’t get around to watching Solo until years later.

I hope with Acolyte we get to see some Tenebrous/Plageuis stuff. Plagueis is one of the most interesting Sith Lords.
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05-17-2022 , 02:24 PM
By the way, I really wish they had brought out the name "Grogu" a lot earlier in The Mandalorian so that we wouldn't still have 90% of the SW-watching population calling him "Baby Yoda."

I'm surprised they're going the route of an Andor series, honestly. I've only seen Rogue One the one time, but I loved it, and even with that, Cassian Andor did not stand out enough to me as someone I really needed to see more of.
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05-17-2022 , 02:31 PM
Also, my YT recommendations recently pointed me back to that scene where Ahsoka leaves the order. For some reason, my memory had failed and was causing me to blame Yoda for Mace Windu's "this was actually your great trial; the force works in mysterious ways" bullshit. Yoda wasn't great in that scene either, but it was primarily Windu's line that made the group's overall reaction seem really shitty.

I like Windu, but it sure feels like his character stepped in it in a couple of really key spots, between his handling of that situation and the sort of terse/indelicate way he handled telling Anakin to stay back in Episode III when he was going to confront Palpatine.
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05-17-2022 , 03:22 PM
What I’m hoping to see with Andor is the grittier side of the Rebellion. They touch on it in Rogue One. Those volunteering for the Scarif mission all felt they had damned themselves with their actions, getting their hands dirty for the Rebellion. Think of how casually Cassian shoots that informant at the beginning of the movie. Hopefully more Saw Guerrera as well.

Mace Windu is a great character and a perfect personification of the stale state of the Jedi Order of the prequel era. On paper, he’s the pinnacle of the Order and the template for what a Jedi should be. In reality, he defends his devotion to the Republic with blinders on, and at the same time his detached stoicism allows the dark side to fester within their ranks. He’s a “perfect” Jedi in an imperfect Order.
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05-17-2022 , 03:49 PM
Good points on both paragraphs. I agree. I'll certainly give Andor a shot and hope for the best.

I know that Samuel L. Jackson has publicly stumped for the possibility of Mace Windu having emerged from Episode III alive so that he could return (I understand why he would be motivated to like that possibility), but I sure hope they don't bring another obviously dead person back like that.
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05-17-2022 , 04:41 PM
I don't understand why shows have to be character specific. It seems there's too much comic book influence/Marvel influence there. I think they really tend to limit themselves when they force stuff to be about single characters rather than a greater story.
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05-17-2022 , 05:22 PM
the biggest problem with star wars is once george lucas got access to cgi he just started going for interesting battles instead of realistic battles

in the original trilogy, everyone, storm troopers included, took cover and fought defensively, then in the prequels and sequels it just was like all the strategy went out the window so they could pay an homage to the opening sequence of reservoir dogs

like there is one scene in the prequels where wookies with blasters are waiting in a trench for the enemy droid army to arrive and when they arrive the wookies instead of firing from their concealed positions in the trench leap out of the trench and just stand there in the open blasting

made a movie franchise where i was happily going to go along with space voodoo and giant worms suddenly a bit too much
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05-17-2022 , 06:16 PM
Battle tactics have always been a mess in Star Wars, even in the OT. It’s one of the distinctions that makes it space fantasy instead of science fiction.

Always had to turn my historian brain off during TCW battle plan sessions.
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05-17-2022 , 07:08 PM
Realistic original trilogy battle scene.

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