NXT? Superstars? If you count those

Yeah, the C shows, plus he was on the last PPV. AFAICT he has moved beyond go to jobber to the stars and they are going to start using him correctly. He needs a good gimmick though.

my issue with that list isnt so much that tyson is on it, but rather that so far they dont seem to have announced a single person that is actually good at ladder matches in either list (except xtian)

There are two full weeks of shows until the PPV. It makes sense they start with the chaff then work up to the wheat.

Really surprised not seeing Ryback on the SD MiTB match. He could destroy everyone, lose the match on a fluke, and still look really strong.

allegedly nobody wants to work with ryback cuz they think he's too dangerous. throw in some ladders and that's probably why

I heard that story but I think it's bull****. Never heard that about Botchtista or BotchCara.

There is a decent chance its another fake rumour that Bryan made up about the Ryback.

There is an entire lockerroom where 50% the guys dont have the weight to discuss what they wouldnt do to get on TV and know it, another 30-40% who would openly accept a high chance of minor injury just to get on TV and the last 10-20% hold all the power but would never want to appear afraid of injury in front of the first 80-90%.

If the rumour were officials were worried he would injure people in matches, I could believe that, but the rumour that talent is openly discussing not wanting to face him just doesnt hold water on the face of it. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence in this case imo.

dylan - i stand corrected. forgot y2j was in the other one

The Undertaker is scheduled to return at Survivor Series on November 18 according to leaked plans received by FW4Online.com. Taker who has undergoing two major surgeries in the past year is believed to have several more matches left in him and will almost certainly compete at WrestleMania 29.

http://www.wrestlingnewssource.com/n...takers-Return/

cena taker?

Yeah, I've seen one.

You know I could potentially (unlikely, but again potentially) buy Cena breaking the Streak, if and only if they could book it an intelligent fashion that didn't end with Super Cena (hence the unlikely).

+1. They had the chance last year to have the perfect booking. They should have had Cena beat the Rock. Then come out the next night and say "I've done it all, I've won countless championships, I've beaten all the greats, and I even beat the Rock in his hometown at Wrestlemania. And I did all of this without the help and support of the fans." Then Taker's gong hits and he comes out and says "You haven't done everything, you have never beat me at Wrestlemania." You then have an awesome fued that we've never seen before and the most believable threat to end the streak ever. The only problem is WWE is too scared to turn Cena heel.

I just can't see how they can ever ever turn him heel with all the Make-A-Wish foundation stuff he does, unless you can get 300 very ill kids to ask him to turn heel and kick babies and puppies.

They dont even need him to turn, he showed during the Rock feud all he needs is to change the gimmicks slightly and remove the worst parts of his boy scout shtick.

They don't need him to turn in order to do the match, but if there was any thought of him going over I just don't think enough of the crowd would accept him being the one to break the streak. Not if his crowd reaction next April is similar to what it is right now.

A turn would be like the only way that would work I think, and I think a turn is very unlikely.

FWIW I still think we're most likely to get Rock/Cena II for the title and Brock/Taker at Mania. I know there were reports of Brock/Rock for the title, but the way Lesnar's been booked makes that seem unlikely.

WWE should sign Chael Sonnen when he becomes a free agent on Sunday and have him fued with Brock at WM and have Rock/Punk for the title and Taker/Cena for the steak.

I thought the plan was always Brock vs Taker and Rock (c) vs Cena for the WWE with Cena going over?

In fact I recall Taker talking to Brock after an MMA match about the WM match a couple years ago which was going to be a work to set it up but it fell through that year and I read somewhere half of the idea of Rock going over at WM was to build a bigger match the year after with the title on the line where Cena can win and end up getting the last win but it ends up being 1-1 overall.

I would love it very much just for the spectacle, if Taker/Cena was going to headline WM 30, if Taker can make it to 30, at MSG (its going to be at MSG, right?) in an I Quit match. I think it can be booked really well, to sell it as this generation's Hogan/Andre.

An I Quit match between those two at WrestleMania? I think what you're looking to watch is:



Undertaker would never be booked to quit at WM and Cena would never be booked to quit ever, at least as long as he's a babyface.