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Old 09-09-2017, 05:55 AM   #9651
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I don´t like Vince Russo - but one Point i always agree with him from his Podcasts - When he bashes and mocks the Dirtsheet Writers for being stupid and making money of people basically as a scam when they claim to have "insider" knowledge - Number one on that list Dave **** Meltzer
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Old 09-09-2017, 06:28 AM   #9652
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I mean I probably talk **** on Melzter more than anyone on this site but it's absolutely clear he has some insider knowledge. I recent example is him knowing almost all of the WM card months before the angles had even started.
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Old 09-09-2017, 12:15 PM   #9653
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I just don't care about women's wrestling. If they hired talented wrestlers instead of models who are uncoordinated messes, I'd care.
Agree. I'm supposed to believe all these 5'5" models are elite fighters and the toughest women in the world?
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Old 09-09-2017, 03:23 PM   #9654
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Agree. I'm supposed to believe all these 5'5" models are elite fighters and the toughest women in the world?
No. Yo're supposed to be entertained by watching them pretend to fight each other. I'm generally more entertained by good looking women in pretty much every possible context, so the first criteria for a woman's WWE success is going to be looks. Then, being even minimally competent in fake fighting.
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Old 09-10-2017, 12:18 AM   #9655
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No. Yo're supposed to be entertained by watching them pretend to fight each other. I'm generally more entertained by good looking women in pretty much every possible context, so the first criteria for a woman's WWE success is going to be looks. Then, being even minimally competent in fake fighting.
A woman being good at her craft adds to her attractiveness IMO. In any case, I'd easily sooner watch, say, prime Aja Kong than Kelly Kelly.
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Old 09-10-2017, 12:24 AM   #9656
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I'm still bummed about Kharma. I was excited and that was at the low point of the division.

Even Charlotte kinda exposes the business a bit (? can't think of a better term). She's so very clearly at least five tiers higher than any woman on the main roster. It's embarrassing to see the other women when Charlotte shows how it's done with natural talent and hard work.
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Old 09-10-2017, 06:09 AM   #9657
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I don't really get the obsession with raw athleticism. To me it's more about telling a story in the ring + being a character people get invested in, and neither of those really requires being a freak athlete. The cruiserweight division right now is almost all incredible athletes who can flip and do everything in the ring, but nobody really cares about their matches. Enzo Amore, who sucks at wrestling, is probably the most over person on 205 Live.

That said, I am glad to see WWE getting away from the "let's just teach models to wrestle" thing, and you see that in the Mae Young Classic and NXT especially. It might take a little longer for it to really happen on the main roster since Vince doesn't seem to give them the time/opportunity to really go in the ring.
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Old 09-10-2017, 11:03 AM   #9658
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Agreed but only to a certain extent- Charlotte is so much more talented in ring than everybody else on the roster that even if she had 0 character/mic skills it would still affect their in ring work.
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Old 09-10-2017, 11:37 AM   #9659
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I don't really get the obsession with raw athleticism. To me it's more about telling a story in the ring + being a character people get invested in, and neither of those really requires being a freak athlete. The cruiserweight division right now is almost all incredible athletes who can flip and do everything in the ring, but nobody really cares about their matches. Enzo Amore, who sucks at wrestling, is probably the most over person on 205 Live.
I do think that this is increasingly true at a time when there is a diminishing number of new things a worker can do in the ring. There's little they can do that we haven't seen while also being relatively safe.

That said, a worker does at least have to have minimum competency where their moves don't look totally unbelievable.
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Old 09-10-2017, 05:33 PM   #9660
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Women's wrestling:

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In the latest Observer, Meltzer notes the plan is to have the Four Horsewomen of WWE vs the Four Horsewomen of MMA. He adds that the end goal is to have Stephanie McMahon (or Charlotte Flair - although less likely) vs Ronda Rousey in a singles match at Wrestlemania.
As if there wasn't enough incentive to not care about the 4HW garbage. Referencing above, not below.

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That said, a worker does at least have to have minimum competency where their moves don't look totally unbelievable.
Totally agree and that is why I said "uncoordinated messes". They are. They can't do passable pro wrestling matches. Often there are as many botches in a women's match on RAW or a ppv as there are during all the men's matches combined. It's obvious that they get a pass for this from Vince & Co because they're attractive. I have no problem with most of the women's division focusing on characters or story lines but it has to end in a decent physical confrontation.

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Old 09-10-2017, 06:02 PM   #9661
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Yeah we seem to be in agreement here. As much as I like Alexa as a character, she just isn't there yet in the ring and there's a few similar cases on the roster who just don't put very good matches together. I was just arguing in favor of wrestlers like Becky and Bayley, who aren't necessarily amazing athletes but I think are very good at in-ring storytelling and keep botching to a minimum.
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Old 09-10-2017, 06:20 PM   #9662
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We may hate it, but it makes perfect sense why the McMahons keep booking themselves in prominent matches at WM. They are the only people whose loyalty they can trust 100%.
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Old 09-11-2017, 08:29 AM   #9663
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I don't have much of an opinion about Becky Lynch, but lolBayley. "Keeping botching at a minimum"? Not only is she completely unbelievable in the ring but she can barely put a sentence together.

Charlotte vs Rousey at WM would be awesome. Especially if they brought back heel Charlotte and Rousey was just some borklike super-tweener. Rousey vs Steph would be awful.
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Old 09-11-2017, 03:00 PM   #9664
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I'm not going to get into the debate about Women's wrestling. I will simply say that if you stopped watching the MYC during or after the 1st round, start watching again. The latest batch of 4 shows really stepped up the quality of matches. I think the problem was that there just wasn't 32 viable women out there to be in a stage like this. I also think there were some rather curious booking decisions in the first round that hurt things. Anyway give the rest of the tournament a shot
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Old 09-11-2017, 07:45 PM   #9665
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There was a rumor a week or two ago that Jinder's going to be holding the belt until WM. Today, WWE announced a tour of India for December. My god, it's going to happen. Is it that hard to put the belt back on AJ and make him the focal point of the show?
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Old 09-11-2017, 08:58 PM   #9666
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smackdown is unwatchable which is a shame with aj/ko/sami on it. Jinder is the WWE champ, every promo is the exact same, every match is the exact same, and it's blatantly obvious it's a marketing ploy for India rather than anything interesting storyline/character/inring wise. Then you got Natalya/Naomi being the womens champs just keeping that irrelevant. Usos and New Day have been feuding for what feels like a year even though it's been like two ppvs. AJ and KO just was mediocre because it was a clear tread water feud with non finishes and goofy title changes on errors just to give them something to do til summerslam.

Smackdown after the split was the best wrestling had been on american tv since Punk's summer. And it's trash now. Shame.

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Old 09-11-2017, 09:11 PM   #9667
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meanwhile raw has braun come out, throw haymakers with brock for 2 minutes, and im eating it all up.
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Old 09-11-2017, 09:20 PM   #9668
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SDL never recovered from losing Miz.
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Old 09-11-2017, 09:41 PM   #9669
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I don't have much of an opinion about Becky Lynch, but lolBayley. "Keeping botching at a minimum"? Not only is she completely unbelievable in the ring but she can barely put a sentence together.

Charlotte vs Rousey at WM would be awesome. Especially if they brought back heel Charlotte and Rousey was just some borklike super-tweener. Rousey vs Steph would be awful.
Asuka vs Rhousey
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Old 09-16-2017, 09:13 PM   #9670
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https://www.sportskeeda.com/wwe/sk-e..****emania-angle

I don't know how credible this guy or site is, but it popped up on my Google feed today. I thought it was a pretty good idea until I read the end.
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Old 09-18-2017, 04:18 PM   #9671
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Old 09-18-2017, 06:29 PM   #9672
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Does anybody play Extreme Warfare Revenge or any of Adam Ryland's games? I like fantasy booking. I mostly make puns, inside jokes, and sometimes sense.

Miz should go back to SD and fued with Daniel Bryan some more. Book the match at Wrestlemania. Have Maryse kiss Miz for luck, and then Daniel Bryan uses a small package to win in under 18 seconds. Everybody goes home happy and safe.
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Old 09-18-2017, 06:33 PM   #9673
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Does anybody play Extreme Warfare Revenge or any of Adam Ryland's games? I like fantasy booking. I mostly make puns, inside jokes, and sometimes sense.

Miz should go back to SD and fued with Daniel Bryan some more. Book the match at Wrestlemania. Have Maryse kiss Miz for luck, and then Daniel Bryan uses a small package to win in under 18 seconds. Everybody goes home happy and safe.


I used to . I liked the original booking game . I can't think of
The name off the top of my head and can't get it to work on my laptop

Edit: it's tnm
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Old 09-18-2017, 06:40 PM   #9674
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LOL Booby Roode.
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Old 09-18-2017, 06:58 PM   #9675
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http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/deta...e_revenge.html

Safe way to download the game. You can still get up to date mods on this forum:

http://www.ewbattleground.com/forum/...-and-graphics/

And if it helps, I once figured out how to get it to work on raspberry pi's PIXEL. Wasn't easy. Took a long time. But was worth it.
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