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08-18-2017 , 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by El Kabong
CM Punk though.
He's less likely to participate in a pro wrestling match than The Rock is at this point.
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08-18-2017 , 04:15 PM
Well, well, well:


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Summary of Daniel Bryan Interview-

He says his health is 100% important that wrestling. Being a good father is the most important thing for him.

He says that he understands people feel he is delusional but that is not the case. He says WWE is supportive of him & he doesn't want to push them for a return.

He says he misunderstood the concept of lesion & that it meant that the brain function is a bit slow or less than 100% optimal but he had a different idea about it when he retired. He thought he had a cut or a huge damage to his brain by lesion but that isn't true.

He says WWE didn't want to clear him & that Vince asked him to retire in Seattle after the latest test & he was pushed into it.

Being around wrestling as SD GM every week & not being able to wrestle is not fun & he can't do what he loves most.

When he sat aside the Ambrose vs Styles match, his heart was torn apart that he couldn't wrestle.

He says he has undergone multiple tests and his brain is as good as a college football player in the tests. He says he has been cleared by multiple concussions specialists and regularly monitors his health/undergoes treatment.

He says he is looking to make a comeback with a lighter schedule. He doesn't want to be a Champion, Main-event or carry a promotion or be away from his daughter much.

He wants to do few matches on a light schedule provided he is cleared health wise.
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Bryan "Zero ****s" Danielson

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08-18-2017 , 05:23 PM
DB is delusional
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08-18-2017 , 06:39 PM
idk, there was an extensive list of tests done apparently by well respected medical professionals in Arizona and UCLA which cleared him. The tests he failed was some experimental tests not FDA approved which told him his reflexes were slow and he had a lesion in his brain, so he retired.

Turns out that in that capacity, lesion doesn't actually mean lesion. It just means ... something isn't right. The thing is, the "slow reflexes" which caused them to label it lesion had no control group for Bryan himself and was compared to top level athletes - of which he is obviously not. Apparently his reflexes were fine for a normal person. Then another doctor at the Joe Namath institute told him his brain is the same as a college level football player. Some concussions but no real cause for concern over long term damage.

I was very anti-return since the news broke, but I don't think it's actually bad anymore.
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08-18-2017 , 06:49 PM
"He says his health is 100% important than wrestling. Being a good father is the most important thing for him."

If this is true, he should never wrestle again.
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08-18-2017 , 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by eyebooger
"He says his health is 100% important than wrestling. Being a good father is the most important thing for him."

If this is true, he should never wrestle again.
There is no way that you can assert that. The only people that can are him and his doctors. Keep in mind, the only one that didn't clear him was an experimental test not cleared by the FDA that Vince suggested and he had cleared 3 other doctors prior doing that one and it sounds like more since.

edit: it even sounds like the doctor that did mention the legion didn't explain it correctly to Bryan. This is mostly mentioning the same stuff Jim did above your post but it's worth emphasizing:

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So they send him to go get some experimental stuff done. Testing that isn't even FDA approved. They do some kind of reflex or impact testing, so they hook stuff up to his brain and test that and whatever. So he does that, and they tell him he has a lesion in a certain region on his brain. So he calls Vince, and he is crying and he tells him he has this lesion on his brain. And the next week Vince calls him and tells him to come to RAW in Seattle and give a retirement speech. Initially he didn't want to do it but he became convinced it was for the best.

Then after everything dies down, he gets a call from one of the doctors who originally cleared him and he asks him what happened that made him retire. He tells the doctor that they found a lesion on his brain. And then the doctor tells him that in medical terminology, a lesion does not mean what he usually means. Bryan thought it meant he had a cut on his brain, but the doctor says that in medical terminology, a lesion is a very vague term. It just means that something is there. Not necessarily a cut or anything like that.

Then that doctor looks at the report that said he had a lesion. And what he found was that Daniel's brain reflexes in that region were slower than they expected. Thats why in the report they wrote it in as a lesion.

Now here is the really messed up part. That region of his brain had a slow reflex compared to MMA fighters and football players and athletes that they usually test at that facility. It did NOT have any reflex that is slower than what you would expect in a normal human being. And since Bryan is a performer and not really a high level sports person, obviously you would expect his reflex time to be closer to an average persons, not a high level sports athlete.

In addition to that, they didnt have a baseline for how fast the reflex in that part of his brain used to be. So they had no way of even knowing if there was actually any damage there, or if that was just the normal speed at which that region of his brain functioned.

He went to this Joe Namath institute to get more tests done and they said his brain is no different from a run of the mill college football player. He has had some concussions, but he is not a person at risk of brain damage.
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08-18-2017 , 07:41 PM
What Jim and iso posted seems sensible enough, but it's still a bit difficult for me to imagine watching DB wrestle and feeling totally comfortable about it.
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08-18-2017 , 10:04 PM
So I'm the only one bothered by his claim that it's a good thing that his brain is similar to a college football player's brain? There was a study released a month ago where 53 people who stopped playing football after college donated their brains for CTE study. 48 of those 53 tested positive for CTE.

It's not my head so it's not my call, but I think Bryan should just shelve thoughts of wrestling again.
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08-18-2017 , 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by .isolated
There is no way that you can assert that.
Sure I can. If "his health is more important than wrestling", and he has the financial means to not be wrestling (which I'm assuming he does), then he (or anyone) shouldn't be wrestling.

If he actually goes back to wrestling, that means he's lying to himself and that he values wrestling more than his health. I wouldn't criticize him for that decision if he were to make it, but he'd be doing it for himself.

Also I'll +1 the sentiment of a CFB player's brain not being the yardstick you really want to measure up to.
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08-18-2017 , 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by eyebooger
Sure I can. If "his health is more important than wrestling", and he has the financial means to not be wrestling (which I'm assuming he does), then he (or anyone) shouldn't be wrestling.

If he actually goes back to wrestling, that means he's lying to himself and that he values wrestling more than his health. I wouldn't criticize him for that decision if he were to make it, but he'd be doing it for himself.
I'm sure you're smart enough to realize how I interpreted your comment and how I was responding to your comment. But to your comment, we can argue he shouldn't play flag football or drive a car or do a bunch of other random stuff that can be harmful if done wrong. It's also quite clear when he says he puts his health above wrestling that he's saying he wouldn't wrestle if he thought it'd put him in a position likely to be seriously injured because he's risking a head injury that he already has (which he doesn't think he has).

The college football thing is a bunch of conjecture wrt Bryan's brain because of this:
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He has had some concussions, but he is not a person at risk of brain damage.
and this
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Now here is the really messed up part. That region of his brain had a slow reflex compared to MMA fighters and football players and athletes that they usually test at that facility. It did NOT have any reflex that is slower than what you would expect in a normal human being. And since Bryan is a performer and not really a high level sports person, obviously you would expect his reflex time to be closer to an average persons, not a high level sports athlete.

In addition to that, they didnt have a baseline for how fast the reflex in that part of his brain used to be. So they had no way of even knowing if there was actually any damage there, or if that was just the normal speed at which that region of his brain functioned.
which indicate there's absolutely nothing wrong with him compared to regular people and not just college football players. but I'm not an expert on this stuff so I'm not going to argue for or against this. fwiw, I feel the same as LKJ on watching him wrestle again. It'd be nerve racking.

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08-19-2017 , 08:18 AM
If he really wants to get in the ring again, on the high level indies or New Japan, I think he could alter his style enough to take no huge bumps, (diving headbutt, top rope dropkick, powerbombs, nothing outside the ring), limit his smaller bumps and work a Regal/Sabre/Lance Storm hybrid style. I would have no problem watching that.
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08-19-2017 , 08:24 AM
He could definitely work a submission-heavy style.
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08-19-2017 , 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by LKJ
What Jim and iso posted seems sensible enough, but it's still a bit difficult for me to imagine watching DB wrestle and feeling totally comfortable about it.
Exactly how I feel about it.
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08-19-2017 , 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by ChachiArcola
So I'm the only one bothered by his claim that it's a good thing that his brain is similar to a college football player's brain? There was a study released a month ago where 53 people who stopped playing football after college donated their brains for CTE study. 48 of those 53 tested positive for CTE.

It's not my head so it's not my call, but I think Bryan should just shelve thoughts of wrestling again.
Yeah, this stuck out to me like a sore thumb. My first thought was "Wait, you're attributing this point as a positive? Dafuq?"
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08-19-2017 , 11:36 AM
The problem with CTE is that its undetectable in those who are living. Bryan almost certainly already has it, and any ring time increases the chances that he makes it worse considerably.
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08-19-2017 , 12:01 PM
Every pro wrestler probably has it. Being a pro wrestler is bad for you and shortens your life. If that bothers you, don't watch.
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08-19-2017 , 12:15 PM
Being bothered by <insert about 100 things here> and watching anyway is the basic job description of a WWE fan.
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08-19-2017 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Mat the Gambler
Every pro wrestler probably has it. Being a pro wrestler is bad for you and shortens your life. If that bothers you, don't watch.
Watching wrestling doesn't bother me. What bothers me is a wrestler who was throwing multiple head butts in succession while on top of a ladder one week, and then a couple weeks later is out becaus of concussions. Then after months of trying to come back has a test done that shows him the damage that has been done to his brain. And then after seeing that damage has a really emotional retirement speech in which he says he wants to start a family. Then after starting said family wants to get back into wrestling and after having another battery of tests is told his brain is similar to that of a college football player's, which in a recently released study was shown to have a 90%+ chance of having CTE. And then having said wrestler see that as a positive and wants to use that as the basis for him getting back into the ring which is dangerous enough without that added to it.

Yeah, that is what bothers me. Oh, and if every wrestler went through all of that, then chances are I would stop watching.
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08-19-2017 , 12:59 PM
Bryan saying his family/health are his #1 priority but still wants to return to wrestling is as ridiculous as it gets. He can do what he wants obviously, but lol at trying to argue that a return to wrestling would be anything other than him prioritizing his love for wrestling over his family & health.

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08-19-2017 , 01:57 PM
Southpaw GOAT
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08-19-2017 , 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by LKJ
Being bothered by <insert about 100 things here> and watching anyway is the basic job description of a WWE fan.


Lolol
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08-19-2017 , 02:06 PM
I guess we're gonna ignore the seizures he admits to having that he hid from WWE doctors.

If he wants to wrestle then it's his life I suppose. Doesn't change my mind that I think that he's 100% FOS to claim health and family is #1 when his response to hearing his diagnosis isn't potentially as bad as originally thought is I GOT SOME MORE CONCUSSIONS LEFT IN THE TANK.
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08-19-2017 , 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Mat the Gambler
Every pro wrestler probably has it. Being a pro wrestler is bad for you and shortens your life. If that bothers you, don't watch.
I actually have. I've stopped watching wrestling, and I will not be watching the NFL this year. I can't in good conscience contribute to these people destroying their brains and bodies for my entertainment. We don't all sit around and watch people shoot up heroin for entertainment.
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08-19-2017 , 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by master3004
I actually have. I've stopped watching wrestling, and I will not be watching the NFL this year. I can't in good conscience contribute to these people destroying their brains and bodies for my entertainment. We don't all sit around and watch people shoot up heroin for entertainment.
id watch that
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08-19-2017 , 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by sirswish6
id watch that
I can take you to a few spots in Seattle
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