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06-09-2018 , 10:51 PM
I bet on Punk at evens with a buddy. In hindsight, the evens was a huge mistake. Pretty sure Punk's a > 10:1 dog against that guy.
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06-09-2018 , 11:08 PM
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06-10-2018 , 02:29 AM
Corey Graves on twitter right now being douchey about Punk. Also seems to be ****ting on Kenny Omega for no reason as well.
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06-10-2018 , 02:43 AM
Yeah, I saw some of his stuff. He seems to have gone off the deep end for some reason. Some of it reeks of searching for a reason to be mad, ie:

1 minute it's: "I (and others) had your back and you turned your back on us." Which is in reference to him walking out.

Next minute it's: "I had dinner with Punk the week after he left." That seems to reflect on good memories. Why would you have dinner with someone who you think just turned his back on you? gtfo

Tagging Vince and HHH in one tweet was super odd.

It's odd but idc. Hope Corey has fun towing that company line on Twitter.
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06-10-2018 , 03:03 AM
Corey Graves proved to be a coward when he happily took the Saudi oil money and praised how progressive the place was at the Greatest Royal Rumble only to turn around and make a "deep" post on Instagram about how it puts things in perspective of how we don't really have it that bad over here once it was over. Either stand up for your principles and refuse the show or go do it and move on like the rest of the people did. You can't have it both ways.

I'm not at all surprised that he waits for someone to fail at something to run his mouth about it.


As for Punk: my stance when he left was that I was happy for him to get out of something that was making him miserable and do something he's always dreamed of doing. As the courtroom proceedings played out and it became apparent how unseriously the company took his health (from refusing to check out his lump to acknowledging his concussion and having their solution be to send Kane out there to throw him around and then through a table) my stance has only grown stronger. He got out of a miserable situation in a hostile and abusive work environment and did some cool ****. So he wasn't a good MMA fighter. The vast majority of people aren't. There's no shame in saying you want to try something and then failing when you do.

I hope he finds something else cool to do next.
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06-10-2018 , 10:37 AM
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Corey Graves proved to be a coward when he happily took the Saudi oil money and praised how progressive the place was at the Greatest Royal Rumble only to turn around and make a "deep" post on Instagram about how it puts things in perspective of how we don't really have it that bad over here once it was over. Either stand up for your principles and refuse the show or go do it and move on like the rest of the people did. You can't have it both ways.

I'm not at all surprised that he waits for someone to fail at something to run his mouth about it.


As for Punk: my stance when he left was that I was happy for him to get out of something that was making him miserable and do something he's always dreamed of doing. As the courtroom proceedings played out and it became apparent how unseriously the company took his health (from refusing to check out his lump to acknowledging his concussion and having their solution be to send Kane out there to throw him around and then through a table) my stance has only grown stronger. He got out of a miserable situation in a hostile and abusive work environment and did some cool ****. So he wasn't a good MMA fighter. The vast majority of people aren't. There's no shame in saying you want to try something and then failing when you do.

I hope he finds something else cool to do next.
Well put. While I would selfishly like to see him back in the wrestling ring, I also hope first that he maintains the financial stability that he apparently has right now. That way, if we see him return to wrestling it's a function of him getting the itch again rather than doing it out of financial necessity.

The "turned your back on us" stuff is so weird. While there are situations where the abruptness of someone's departure from a job may put colleagues in a terrible position while they deal with the sudden emergency, and I could understand some resentment in that type of situation, it sure doesn't seem like that occurred here. And even creating a situation like that is justified if there's good enough cause to do so (the worker's health and/or safety being compromised by continuing to work would certainly qualify).

Of course, Graves and everyone else who resent Punk for his departure are likely just viewing it through the odd lens of feeling entitled to get to see him continuing to work wrestling matches in perpetuity, Punk's wishes be damned. That's an indefensible position.
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06-10-2018 , 11:12 AM
I read the Graves stuff more as "now you act like you never knew us and we aren't friends anymore even though we were close" rather than "you quit WWE".
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06-10-2018 , 03:49 PM
Wow was I wrong about Punk winning. LOL me.

If Punk has another MMA fight (surely not UFC), he's literally insane.

(Go to NJPW, Punk. Just do it. But I kind of think he just fades away.)
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06-10-2018 , 05:01 PM
Apparently Dana White said Punk is done in the UFC.
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06-10-2018 , 05:13 PM
I know almost nothing about MMA, is it just me or were those spins he kept doing really bad? He seemed slow in general but even more so when spinning and they seemed to leave him really exposed.
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06-10-2018 , 05:13 PM
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Apparently Dana White said Punk is done in the UFC.


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I know almost nothing about MMA, is it just me or were those spins he kept doing really bad? He seemed slow in general but even more so when spinning and they seemed to leave him really exposed.
If he was up against someone who wanted to take him to the ground like Mickey did in Punk's first fight, Punk would've been raped because of it.
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06-10-2018 , 10:33 PM
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I know almost nothing about MMA, is it just me or were those spins he kept doing really bad? He seemed slow in general but even more so when spinning and they seemed to leave him really exposed.
Yeah, the spins were strange. Was he not just setting himself up to get popped in the face when he turned back around? Odd strategy.

Also, his opponent sucked, too. Just a really bad fight all around.
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06-11-2018 , 03:30 AM
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The "turned your back on us" stuff is so weird. While there are situations where the abruptness of someone's departure from a job may put colleagues in a terrible position while they deal with the sudden emergency, and I could understand some resentment in that type of situation, it sure doesn't seem like that occurred here. And even creating a situation like that is justified if there's good enough cause to do so (the worker's health and/or safety being compromised by continuing to work would certainly qualify).


I feel similar to the general "You owe your company loyalty" mindset so many people have as well. This case is a nice mix of the two to double my confusion.
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06-11-2018 , 06:58 AM
Yeah agreed, there are very few situations where you should feel obligated to show loyalty to someone or something that isn't loyal to you. Companies are only "loyal" to workers for as long as that worker is worth their paycheck, which of course isn't real loyalty. Workers, likewise, should act in their own selfish interests and put the onus on the company to continue to be that worker's best option.

I love my boss and enjoy working for her, and accordingly I have not felt in any way inclined to seek employment outside my organization for years, but if a compelling opportunity presented itself then certainly I'm considering it. I think I'd be a sucker to feel otherwise.
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06-11-2018 , 02:42 PM
Brock Lesnar has passed CM Punk's record to become the longest-reigning top-tier WWE champion of the modern era. Today is day 435.



Even as a huge mark for Brock, I say, now can we get it the **** off of him?
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06-11-2018 , 04:31 PM
I didn't even realize there was a Universal title anymore.
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06-11-2018 , 04:46 PM
Technically it's the Universal Championship, so Punk still has the modern-day WWE Championship record...
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06-12-2018 , 05:34 PM
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06-13-2018 , 06:01 PM
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Did the tomato cans come out to “Girls in Cars”?
Just popping in to say that this song is, and will always be amazing.
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06-15-2018 , 06:56 AM
For those that don't watch NJPW or check the thread, Meltzer just gave the recent Okada/Omega match 7 stars. Melzter gonna Melzter. Good match but no where near the best of all time in my opinion and I'm a big fan of both wrestlers.
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06-15-2018 , 07:02 AM
Is he trolling at this point, or does he actually think it's cool to break his own rating system?
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06-15-2018 , 07:05 AM
But it's the greatest match I've ever seen. - Big Dave
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06-15-2018 , 07:29 AM
I've been thinking about it and I don't think it would even crack my top 20 and I don't think it's the best of their 4 matches. The end was awesome but the first 20-25 mins is exactly what everyone thought it would be and just filler to make the match longer. I watched it live and was legit bored until the first fall.

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Is he trolling at this point, or does he actually think it's cool to break his own rating system?
Jim breaks it down perfectly imo.

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This is just how journalism works now. It's disappointing, but you get more clicks/subs/ratings for spouting controversial hot takes than you do for just saying "yeah that match was great it's 5 stars like all of these other great matches".

Skip Bayless doesn't say "Lebron is an all time great but I'd slightly prefer Jordan if we're nitpicking". He says Lebron sucks and is a choke artist. Then he gets anti-Lebron people to turn in and agree and he gets pro-Lebron people to turn in to hate watch because they disagree. He doesn't really give a **** about what he says as long as people turn in.

Meltzer gets more people talking about him on both sides by giving things 6.5 stars than he ever would just giving them 5. So that's what he does. Just gotta roll your eyes and tune it out if it's not for you (it's not for me).
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This continued yesterday when he made some comments about WWE "being left behind" in the ring. Now he's got a bunch of pro-WWE people telling him how great Rollins/Styles/Zayn/Bryan/Owens/NXT/etc is and the anti-WWE people praising him for ****ting on WWE.

- Split the audience into Pro-X and Anti-X
- HOT TAKE
- Watch as people give you free advertising everywhere while arguing about it with each other
- $$$



I still enjoy his stuff and he's far from the first person I followed that went down this path but man I liked it more when he just kept everything in perspective and made reasonable points on the product, matches, behind the scenes stuff, etc.
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06-15-2018 , 07:49 AM
I hate to lump him in with Bayless since it's beyond all question that Bayless is a professional troll, but I agree that the concept is well-described by Jim. That said, I don't know that it's a function that can be localized to what purported journalism has become today; the fact that Meltzer originally gave negative stars to Hogan/Andre (before apparently changing his rating) shows that he's always had a sensationalist impulse.

The thing is, he's not a culprit of giving out too many five-star ratings when it comes to rating the American product. His ratings seem to indicate that he's very slow to give out five stars, and treats that mark as something of a holy grail. Seems clear to me that he sees that the difference between 4.5 and 5 stars as a pretty huge gap, as he should. I could almost see where someone who has doled out five-star ratings liberally would feel some sort of need to differentiate and break their own scale (even if I would still disagree with it), but he hasn't even put himself in that position unless he's a lot more liberal with his five-star ratings of puro matches.

I don't really agree with having negative-star matches either. I would never do that myself. But it's a lot less grating than going above five.
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06-15-2018 , 10:53 AM
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The Doc also admitted to handing out medications under the table in white envelopes without documenting them anywhere as well as openly discussing a patients medical situation with random third parties (in this case Jericho). I wouldn't be surprised if the case isn't the only thing the Amann loses in the next few months.
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Man. Gotta say it's always pretty funny to see a person expose themselves like that as a result of a suit that they chose to bring.
It's also now come out that he was "having a sexual relationship with a patient". How stupid do you have to be to bring a lawsuit on someone that's going to involve looking into how you do business as a doctor when you're committing multiple ethic violations?
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