Funny thing is that a lot of the bits from that show that have left me laughing hysterically are not actually things that the hosts lose their **** over. For some reason I couldn't stop laughing once Jack started going off about that weird head-to-toe referee outfit that Mr. Perfect wore at WM X.

Still one of my favorite moments in any of the shows was when Jack talked about how, when he got the expected razzing from friends in high school, "Wrestling? Don't you know that's fake?", he eventually decided to start responding by seriously attempting to convince them, "No, didn't you hear? They changed it now. It used to be fake, but now they're all really fighting each other."

I still have no idea which is which and I've listened to every episode and most twice.

I'd love a special 5 minute episode on Rock addressing the Hogan impersonator on RAW with that guy doing the Vince impersonation.

"Damnit Rock, who was that you mentioned? Hogan? I killed him!!! I killed Hulkamania!!! HE NEVER EVEN EXISTED!!! I DID IT ALL ON MY OWN, DAMNIT! GET THE **** OUTTA MY OFFICE!"

Obviously make it a little longer for a real special.

edit: listened to WM 25 today too. Lost my **** at how Vince came up with the "Apex Predator" name.

Guy doing Vince voice: Patterson what should we name him? We'll call him The Rapist!

Patterson talks him off the ledge.

Guy doing Vince voice: The Rapey Predator?

Patterson: Well it's getting better but it needs to be a little bit better.

edit 2: Meltzer said that he considers HBK/Taker the second best match (behind Austin/Hart). That explains why he gave it 5* like he did the HBK/Razor match. Is it just me or is that incredibly ******ed?

Jack does Vince, Jp does Patterson

I thought it was the opposite. I thought Jack was the main host who was once a college valedictorian and that JP is the oafish sidekick who does more of the impressions.

I think this is correct, Brother!

Not sure how many know this but TLF have more podcasts on their YT channel. They're satires with Vince and whomever. They're great. I didn't realize this until they mentioned it on the latest edition of TLF with "booking by the pool". That episode's pretty good too with Vince and Patterson booking the Rumble match with a few other personalities helping out. My favorite so far:

TLF is the very reason for the 15 second skip button. I like the show and when I don't like a topic they are pontificating on I can just hit skip a few times until they are back on subject.

Of possible interest to people here.

A couple of weeks back, we completed our two-part special ranking the Top 100 Greatest Wrestlers Ever. It's a long one, about 6 hours total. But it has received a lot of good feedback. Here you go:

http://placetobenation.com/where-the...part-1-100-41/

http://placetobenation.com/where-the...part-2-top-40/

Fair warning, my co-host's list has a lot of lucha and Japanese workers on it. I did joke at one point "my list is like a who's who of wrestling while yours is a who's THAT?" But hope you enjoy.

We also did an epic Top 100 matches set of specials about 6 months ago that we very well received too:

http://placetobenation.com/where-the...part-1-100-51/

http://placetobenation.com/where-the...l-part-2-50-1/

For Flair fans also, last year I put together a 5-part mini-series on why he's the GOAT: http://placetobenation.com/fair-for-...a-mini-series/

I do hope some of the more casual fans here are prepared to take the plunge on some of these. You might come across some good stuff you haven't seen.

I saw that greatest wrestlers thing a day or two ago and thought about it. Instead I listened to the AJPW Excite Series that included the very best wrestling match in history (Misawa/Kobashi vs. Kawada/Taue on 6/9/95). Glad to see that the guys gave it *****. Perhaps I'll get to the greatest wrestlers thing soon.

15 minutes into the Top 100 wrestlers podcast, the one guy finally starts discussing his list with 100 through 91. I heard ...

98. Hogan
97. Austin
96. Lesnar
...
94. Waltman

... and that was enough for me.

Well, thanks for listening to the 15 minutes. Heh heh.

Two things:

1. My co-host has very specific reasons for that ranking. He's also watched more wrestling than practically any person I've ever met.

2. I had all three of Hogan, Austin and Lesnar above Waltman!

Can't win em all I guess. lol

I should mention also that I'm not looking for listeners or anything like that. We have a big and dedicated audience and have been in this game for a long time.

I just dropped this in here because I post here, and in case anyone was interested. We took about 2 years to devise these lists and it is part of a huge community-wide project. Sometimes I was watching 12+ hours of footage a day. In a way, it's really pretty funny that someone could have that reaction. Made me laugh!

I really wasn't trying to insult the podcast, or the effort I'm sure when into it. But when I hear what I wrote in my previous post, I just can't take the list seriously anymore, no matter what the reasons for it were.

You'd be hard pressed to find any fan of wrestling that was around during their heydays who wouldn't laugh at that listing.

yep.

Trust me that he is more credible than most wrestling fans you will ever meet by some distance. I'd go as far as to say that when it comes to 90s wrestling he's probably in the top 2 percentile on earth when it comes to how much footage he has watched. Even if you disagree with the Waltman rating, you could actually learn something from him.

I major more in 70s and 80s and the territories stuff. But wouldn't pretend to have seen more than him.

Also, bear in mind that the list is in-ring only. Hogan was never a great worker mechanically, even in Japan, and lots of the 80+ people involved in the project won't even be ranking him. I know also that he's counting Austin's relatively short peak against him. He wasn't that good in USWA (some people like that Chris Adams feud, I think he's very green there) and in WCW is hit and miss through to 1992, and has off periods up to 1994. 95 is a bit of a write off. 96-8 is a hot streak, I know he's pretty down on 1999 WWF in general. Then injuries and the 01 comeback.

Factoring in-ring career consistency of good matches, etc., I can see how he can come out with Waltman over Austin. He is factoring
in pre-WWF Indy stuff as Lightning Kid too. That's spoken highly of, though not my scene to be honest.


Anyway, it's not absurd, and lots of voters will be doing that. Lots won't rank Austin, Hogan OR Waltman. He was making a bit of a statement including any of them.

Your reactions are funny to me. Don't go expecting Kurt Angle on either of our lists either. Ha ha.

Even based on in-ring skills alone. My god. I'll ignore the spinkick wonder for now. Brock Lesnar at 96? Really? Come on, man.

edit: unignoring Waltman now. You mentioned consistency. He had consistency in WWF? He had two memorable matches and one of them unknown to most because it happened on Action Zone. How many memorable matches did he have in WCW? How many spinkicks did he throw? Waltman was boring af because if you saw one Waltman match, you've seen them all. How many memorable Brock matches have their been? Of course you can argue that his matches now are repetitive but his run from 02-04 and 12-SS 14 was anything but repetitive and he's the definition of consistent.

I will say that I'll likely listen now out of sheer morbid curiosity.

Listening to it now and wondering if the big list is released or will be released when it's over. The podcast is just these guys but I'd love to see how the entire public did it. Also curious where the voting took place.

The big list will be released and the deadline for ballots is Mania.

It took place here: http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.ph...wrestler-ever/

Even you could submit a ballot and there is still time. Look through the list of nominees. Look through the discussion and some of the huge debates that took place.

A number of other shows will also release their top 100s. One of them already have, on the same feed as ours.

(I am secretly hoping some people from here are about to take a dive deeper into wrestling fandom than they could have possible imagined!)

And yes, lots and lots of people will not vote Angle because he lacks even the most basic psychology. He is what has come to be known as a "go go go" worker. He has the tools to be a great wrestler but doesn't know how to use them. Frequently he doesn't seem to know how to put together a compelling match, and many of his greatest hits don't hold up. Take a little read of his nomination thread. You need to be prepared to adjust your mindset.

This is a person who has a top 100 matches of every single year of the 1990s, so a top 100 for 90, for 91, for 92, etc. Not just PPV matches, but TV, house shows, anything and everything.

Without looking, I suspect Waltman is being helped out considerably by his week-to-week TV. And that there's more there than that match on Action Zone.

Have a look at his nomination thread: http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.ph...-sean-waltman/

I'll quote some bits:

So it looks like he's being helped out considerably by those first few years too.

You can scoff or shake your head in disbelief if you want. These guys are the most knowledgable fans anywhere online. And have been for a long time.

You can also see that not everyone will be ranking Waltman. And as I said there'll be those who don't rank Hogan or Austin too.

Digging into specifically my co-host's conclusions, you can see his top 100 matches for 91 here: http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.ph...tches-of-1991/

Look for Lightning Kid.

Here's his 97: http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.ph...997/?p=5611607

You can see he is high on the same Austin matches you probably are too.

Looking at him on 94, I can see he has this:

****1/4
64. Bret Hart vs. 1-2-3 Kid (RAW 7/11/94)
Two things that Bret excels at are on display here. Face vs. Face matches and working with a smaller, lesser opponent. Kid got a lot of offense and timed his offense brilliantly. It is a shame the crowd didn't get into this match more and it was the best match on Raw in 1994.

I'd need to ask him to pick out other Waltman highlights, I've spent too long on this already!

That was the other match that I was noting as memorable.

I know of his work as TLK w/Sabu and others. It's just that after he hits WWF, he has few flashes of brilliance and sure isn't consistent fron 95-01.

I've listened to just over 3 hours and gotten to the talk about Brock. It was glorious to hear.

I got to sleep now but I'll likely finish it and take part two as something to listen to on my 9 hour trip across the country on Saturday.

Just to mention that the final deadline for GWE ballots is 9am ET tomorrow.

Apparently there are well over a 100 voters now and most of the major communities are represented even outside of PWO and DVDR.

You still have time to get in a top 100 ballot.

Not sure when the overall results will be released but I'll drop them in here when they come out.

This won't happen again for another ten years, so it is a chance to be part of a huge project. Even this late in the day.

We also think an actual wrestler might have snuck in a ballot because there is one extreme outlier number #1 vote that no one can predict.