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07-29-2017 , 07:07 AM

#401

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Something to Wrestle With podcast continues to be really fun. Best, dare I say?

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07-30-2017 , 01:16 AM

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Something to Wrestle With podcast continues to be really fun. Best, dare I say?

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08-09-2017 , 10:28 AM

#403

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Mike Tyson on Talk Is Jericho was the most disappointing piece of **** ever.

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08-15-2017 , 08:32 AM

#404

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Well Mike Tyson is a piece of ****. Never signed off on the trendy "he is cool or interesting" thought.

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08-24-2017 , 12:38 PM

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So withspandex has a new podcast out called Mcmahonsplaning. I'm only a few minutes in and they only have two episodes so far, but their first two interviews are with Galcier and Xpac so I am excited for the possibilities

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09-16-2017 , 08:17 PM

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This interview was played on the Ground Zero episode of TLF. Austin has quite a few famous promos but this promo is just intense. Austin on his future and Owen Hart, 8 days after SummerSlam 97. It starts at 2:00. Watch it.

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10-07-2017 , 02:10 AM

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OSW review is one of my favorite podcasts, if you want to call it a podcast.

In regards to TLF Chris Benoit episode

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10-07-2017 , 06:39 AM

#408

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I agree with some of your post, but it seems pretty well-accepted by now that WWE knew what direction the Benoit investigation had gone before the time of the show airing. I don't think they had a ton of warning, and basically it seems like they were short on options for a show that they were obligated to provide to the network, so they went ahead with airing what they had already spent the day putting in the can.

It was a crappy position they were in, but it seems like the play would have just been to run the tape of a PPV from their archive. That would of course cause people to tune out in droves when they probably hung around a lot more for the tribute show, so...

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10-07-2017 , 11:37 AM

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It's messed up if true. There is no reason vince couldn't have aired vengence for free or something.

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10-07-2017 , 12:22 PM

#410

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Bruce going over Bad Blood 97 is a great listen.

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10-07-2017 , 01:40 PM

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Is that "something to wrestle with" ? I like a lot of their stuff. Although I cannot listen to the whole show because it is littered with ads. I do like listening to the excerpts though.

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10-07-2017 , 02:46 PM

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I agree with some of your post, but it seems pretty well-accepted by now that WWE knew what direction the Benoit investigation had gone before the time of the show airing.

and let's not forget that it was aired on the west coast as well when they could've yanked it for something else.

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11-20-2017 , 02:42 PM

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11-20-2017 , 04:27 PM

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I've been working my way through this Montreal stuff, and it's definitely enjoyable. Pretty compelling considering how talked-out it seems like it would already be, particularly as it's increasingly clear that all three of the primary actors were, to varying degrees, insufferable dicks (to say nothing of chief supporting dick HHH).

I still end up siding with Bret, but not without reservations. I can find some level of sympathy for Vince's side. Michaels circa 1997 is a totally unsympathetic character that I can't find anything but contempt for.

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11-20-2017 , 04:48 PM

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I want to side with Vince just because but it's gotta go to Bret. The title didn't need to come off of him at SS. It's funny that the revisionist WWE history says that he'd show up the next night with the belt on Nitro when he was under contract until sometime in December and SS was November 7th.

Totally agree with the HBK sentiment. My favorite was "I don't think anybody, but Taker, should be paid more than I am....because he's been here so long". Bret was there for 4.5 years before Taker debuted.

Finally, I love how this show will bring full circle the joke that started at the Royal Rumble 1992 episode from 3 years ago with Bret almost taking the IC belt to WCW.

edit: the fan e-mail from deep in part 2 of "the solar system reacts" about Canadian nationalism at the time was a fascinating perspective.

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11-20-2017 , 05:42 PM

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That anti-Bret passage from Flair in his 2004 book was so utterly absurd and hypocritical, and as Jack was reading it I wasn't sure if they were going to pounce on how ridiculous it was, but thankfully they went right in and then Jack even went back 10-15 minutes later to start rehashing the ridiculousness. Love Flair, but ****.

I'm still on part 1 of the e-mail reaction series, so I've got a lot left to go, especially with a ****ing 10-hour Survivor Series part 1 apparently coming up. I don't know how they possibly have that much material after already doing these run-up shows.

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11-20-2017 , 05:47 PM

#417

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Holy **** this is going to be a 7 part podcast? That's absurd. They did Benoit in 3

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11-20-2017 , 05:49 PM

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Throw in Wrestling with Shadows and it's 8. **** I'm still on one night only. I don't have enough time to stay caught up

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11-20-2017 , 05:52 PM

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It's impossible for me to stay up on TLF. I maybe spend 30-45 minutes per day listening to podcast stuff. I was traveling this past week and did a lot more listening than I otherwise would. On the bright side, unless I massively up the time I spend on listening, it will take me years (decades?) to ever run out of fresh TLF material, particularly as it doesn't seem like there's any end in sight.

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11-21-2017 , 12:55 PM

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Started listening to the new something to wrestle with about survivor series 2002. The first 30 mins are really interesting. Bruce talks about Katie Vick, how it came about, whos idea it was, how the original plan changed, and why we ended up with what we had.

Apparently, Vince had a specific idea and pretty much tricked everyone into doing it the way he had envisioned. Its pretty interesting stuff.

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11-21-2017 , 08:27 PM

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I found a transcript of it by accident. All taken from Bruce's podcast (ofc). More proof that Vince is insane:

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“You ever have those moments in your life where there are things that are so traumatic that you block them out entirely? (This) really and truly is one of them on so many different counts.

“The original idea behind Katie Vick was a way to introduce Scott Vick, who was a part of our developmental system. We were going to bring Scott in, and he was going to work with Kane or Triple H, I forget which at this point. Scott just had some really, really horrible dark matches at TV and on the road. When he got the nod to come up to the show, all of his matches from that point going forward just, the bottom fell out. Vince is like ‘What the hell are we doing?’

“So, he changed, and we had already teased the name Katie Vick. So it’s like ‘Ok, let’s change this and move it over to Kane. It can be his girlfriend.’ It was during a time that Vince was big into ‘We need more soap opera, we need more stories behind the characters.’ So we started creating stories and it came to the story of what if Kane accidentally, didn’t murder her, but was driving and, oh my god, then the drinking and it just grew. It’s another glowing example of ‘Don’t suggest or say things in jest that you don’t want to have show up on the show.’

“It was literally a group effort. You can direct (hate tweets) towards me, Vince, Brian Gewirtz, Michael Hayes, we were all responsible. This was a group effort. There’s no finger-pointing here, we can turn the fingers back on ourselves. Like with everything, Vince was the ultimate decision maker, the one that said ‘I love it,’ so this is where we’re going to go.

“We were in Nashville, I believe. That’s where we’re going to shoot this damn vignette. The idea behind the vignette was that Hunter was going to do a spoof, emphasis on the word spoof, of Katie Vick’s funeral. That Kane tried to get in, and being the sick perverted person that Triple H was portraying him to be was going to have perceived sex with the corpse. Yet, when we laid it all out, you weren’t going to see all that crap. It was going to be tongue-in-cheek, it was going to be over the top, it was going to be ridiculous, but almost like Pink Panther ridiculous.

“We get to the funeral home where we’re going to shoot this. It’s myself, Vince, Triple H, Kane and a crew. I lost a couple crew members because of this shoot that were highly offended at the subject matter. After the shoot, they quit, I don’t think we ever saw them again. As we get there and we’re laying it out, I would like to point out that we’re in a real funeral home and that there was a real wake taking place. You know how they have those accordion dividers that divide rooms? There was an accordion divider dividing the rooms where we’re doing our shoot and they’re having a wake for a gentleman in the next room.

“Hunter and I are talking and we’re kind of laying this thing out. We’re laughing and we’re trying to do way over the top, a goof, to where no one in their right mind could take this seriously, where no one in their right mind would say ‘Oh, this is a tasteless necrophilia skit.’ This is a couple guys having fun. Vince got real serious on us and said ‘God, that’ll never work. You’ve got to do this straight. That’s where the humor is.’

“We’re thinking ‘Ok, but, if someone tunes into it, you always tell us to look at the television show as if, every single week, you are presenting this show to people who’ve never seen it before and you want everyone to understand it. If we do this straight, I just don’t know how to do that. I mean, how do you do a straight necrophilia scene on television?’ So we got into a fairly heated argument. Triple H and I saw it one way, Vince saw it completely another way, and we decided on a compromise. Vince said ‘We’ll shoot it both ways, and after we see both of them, we’ll decide which one we like best.’ He says ‘Let’s do it my way first, then we’ll do it your way.’

“That’s another important lesson to learn here, kids. So we do it, and Hunter does this thing about as straight as you can do it. Over-the-top straight and serious. We shoot it, we’re done and Vince is like ‘Goddamn, I love it! That’s perfect!’ Hunter and I are looking at each other like ‘Ok, now let’s show him how the over-the-top one is going to be and how it’ll be so much better to do it tongue-in-cheek.’ He says ‘Alright, let’s go guys.’ I said ‘Whoa, whoa, whoa, we’ve got to shoot the other one.’ He says ‘G***amn, Bruce, we don’t have time. You’re not going to get better than that.’ Hunter just looks at me like ‘Save me. We can’t air that. There’s no way we can air that.’

“Vince told the crew to wrap. ‘We’ve got to get back. G***amn, we’re going live.’ And we wrapped. We went back to the building, delivered the tape, and I remember going in and grabbing Kevin Dunn and saying ‘Hey man, you need to take a look at this, because I think we kind of crossed the line.’ Hunter comes in the truck and says ‘Man, you’ve got to look at this. I don’t know. Vince loves it, he wants to air it.’

“Kevin looks at it, makes that long walk down to Vince’s office and goes in and says ‘Vince, I don’t think we can air it.’ Now Vince is pissed, because I’ve told him it’s not good, Hunter’s told him it’s not good, now he feels we went and got Kevin and are all ganging up on him telling him that his idea is no good. He’s going to prove us wrong come hell or high water. And it aired.

“We felt a little betrayed because he said we could do both. We knew the other way was the only way to do it, in my opinion. Obviously, there are two ways to look at it. Not only that, but he was determined this was going to air. We’re going to do it. There was a live interview coming out of it to Hunter in the back. I’m standing there producing the interview. We’re looking at each other and we’re watching it again. Our mouths are hanging open, he says ‘What do I say?’ I didn’t know. I really did not know what the hell to say to that.

“This was an attempt at ‘soap opera’. This is coming from people that would constantly tell us ‘You need more soap opera, you need more story.’ And while yes, we probably did, I’m not sure this was the best way to do soap opera at the time. It was rough, man. It’s one of those moments I proudly stand up and say ‘I did that,’ just because I did, I did produce it. At the same time, you kind of just shake your head and go ‘Oh my god, I produced that.’

“We thought it would get people talking, but trust me it wasn’t done to get the reaction that it got.”

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11-27-2017 , 01:26 AM

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I'm sure you saw or will see this on Twitter eventually but this is a lot of hours to listen to which doesn't even include the many many hours of regular shows:

Confession: I've listened to the Starrcade tour at least five times. I'm already finished listening to the 1997 CC/Montreal November.

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11-27-2017 , 09:43 PM

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I had my suspicions but I couldn't decipher it enough to mention it but the ending of the cast is Jack interviewing Bret about Montreal. Great stuff.

I listened to 1.5 hours of that Something to Wrestle With podcast. I loaded up NM 2002. I enjoyed it but ads and stuff. I think I'll give it another shot on a different episode because it was enjoyable enough.

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12-03-2017 , 10:31 AM

#424

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It comforts me to hear that, during the live viewing, Dave Meltzer was as oblivious as I was to the fact that the Montreal finish was a screwjob.

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12-09-2017 , 04:14 PM

#425

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Listening to the Wrestling with shadowscast right now. There is a moment that made me put my hands on my head and yell out "no ****ing way"

"You know what I want."

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