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04-15-2017 , 08:27 PM
Damn... I had dar0 as the likely leader up until that.
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04-15-2017 , 10:05 PM
I described this draft to my wife as "Things that make non-wrestling fans look at wrestling fans like, 'Why the **** do you watch this?'", and then described this next moment to her as she gave me that very look...

Spoiler:
"I choppy-choppy your pee-pee!!!"

Really, anything involving a "wrestling porn star" is pretty much bound to be terrible, but one angle from 1998 stood out for sheer ridiculousness. Val Venis had managed to get himself into a feud with Kaientai -- a Japanese group that, up until this point, had pretty much existed only to make WWF Light Heavyweight Champion Taka Michinoku's life miserable. How had he done this? Same way most of his feuds started -- sleep with someone related to his opponent, in this case, the wife of their manager Yamaguchi-san (stereotype much, Vince?):



Predictably, Yamaguchi-san did not take this very well. Apparently, though, he was rather handy with the katana, and so threatened poor Val with a rather gruesome fate...



...while screaming, I **** you not, "I CHOPPY-CHOPPY YOUR PEE-PEE!!!" (Yes, stereotype much.)

So next week, Val was in a tag team match with Taka Michinoku against Kaientai. Val tagged Taka in, when out of nowhere, Taka nailed Val with a missile dropkick! The beatdown was on, with Taka joining in. We got the explanation as Taka pointed at Mrs. Yamaguchi-san and repeatedly yelling, "MY SISTA!!" Oh, that totally makes sense and doesn't seem tacked on at all.

It gets worse. The new five-man Kaientai mocked Val...



...and dragged him to the back, where -- no, they're not really going to do this are they? Oh, Jesus...



And that is how Raw ended that week.

BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE!

The next week, Val comes out in a wheelchair, accompanied by Mrs. Yamaguchi-san and...John Wayne Bobbitt??? OH, JESUS. After some double-entendre fakery, Val gets out of the chair and lets everyone know that he's just fine, thanks to some "convenient shrinkage" and because Bobbitt somehow managed to be in the building that night to turn off the lights. How convenient! Does he have some kind of spidey sense of when people are about to have their dicks chopped off?

And, of course, like any good babyface, Val then kicks Mrs. Yamaguchi-san to the curb.

You want a good example of Russo Attitude Era ****ty TV, this is it.


Team:

Spoiler:
Shockmaster debuts
Eddie/Rey custody feud
HHH and friends
Kaientai choppy-choppies Val Venis' pee-pee

Last edited by True North; 04-15-2017 at 10:17 PM.
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04-15-2017 , 10:17 PM
So Matt Hardy and Lita were dating in real life.

Than she cheated on him with Edge.

So Vince fires Matt of course lol.

He than rehires him and makes them feud playing off the real life drama

https://youtu.be/cSaW60Py-Vc

https://youtu.be/sz64vQ7MZwE

I take

Matt hardy / lita / Edge love triangle

Team
Hogan walks out of WCW
Shawn Michaels teams with God
Jeff Hardy wrestles Sting while intoxicated
Matt Hardy / Lita / Edge love triangle
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04-15-2017 , 10:30 PM
But that ended up being a great angle with great matches...
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04-15-2017 , 10:35 PM
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But that ended up being a great angle with great matches...
Oh, good, I thought I was missing something.
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04-15-2017 , 10:41 PM
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But that ended up being a great angle with great matches...
Yeah I loved that angle. Some of the best work of their career by all involved.
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04-15-2017 , 10:44 PM
Yeah that angle was like a good, well-executed version of a bunch of the really bad angles ITT. Shouldn't have been drafted.
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04-15-2017 , 10:57 PM
It was still in bad taste and made everyone uncomfortable .

It may have ended up with good matches but it wasn't a good idea to start with
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04-15-2017 , 11:32 PM
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04-16-2017 , 12:22 AM
The way I see why Matt got fired in 2005 is that he made the affair public when it did not need to be and that is wrong for reasons that I do not know. Besides, I'm sure Vince (once in a blue moon he may do this, I hope it was this time) asked everyone if they were going to be ok doing this storyline and I'm sure both Edge and Matt wanted to take their frustrations and tension in the ring and everywhere else in a WWE-sanctioned event. That can lead to a good storyline, honestly, depending how the events played out.

Also, a comment about that AJ Styles/Claire Lynch storyline. For me, this was probably the lowest point of AJ Styles' career (not in-ring wise, that's impossible, he's always produces great matches, but booking-wise).

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04-16-2017 , 08:43 AM
I got two PMs that told me it's my turn, but I think it's supposed to be StoppedRainingMen's turn?
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04-16-2017 , 09:44 AM
Yup you're correct. Actually we're more than 11 hours since last pick, so SRM is skipped and action is on Halpert.
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04-16-2017 , 10:58 AM
God damn you all. Gimme a sec
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04-16-2017 , 11:02 AM
On the phone so I can't do a proper writeup yet but I will

I select

Spoiler:
The Michael Cole v Jerry Lawler feud
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04-16-2017 , 11:48 AM
Maybe we should pause the clock for today since it's Easter? A lot of people might not be checking in today.
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04-16-2017 , 11:51 AM
Yeah, that thought had occurred to me too. I'm fine with that. Clock is paused until 8 a.m. EST tomorrow. People should still go ahead with picks as available.
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04-16-2017 , 12:57 PM
**** you Easter celebrating mother****ers WOAT Angles/Moments Draft Thread
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04-16-2017 , 01:18 PM
Our next pick starts off hot. During 1993, WCW fell into a goldmine. In one corner was Big Van Vader - the monster version of him, not the HBK doesn't wanna job to him version. He had been destroying everyone in front of him with his combination of size, strength, and speed. In the other corner was a man who could take immense amounts of punishment, brawl with the best of them, and take many high risk moves: Cactus Jack. The two of them can put on a great match individually and their styles meshed perfectly to make everyone excited to see what would happen.

It turns out the result was a great, brutal match. Foley discusses in his book how he needed a bit of time off for a surgery and wanted to find a way to get written off of tv for a handful of weeks while putting over Vader huge and making the fans interested in seeing a rematch when he returned. So naturally, being the insane person that he is, Foley decides to let Vader powerbomb him on a concrete floor. Legit.



The result is visually impressive (though still bat**** insane and makes me uncomfortable). He gets carried out on a stretcher as everyone applaudes him. The fans are now massively behind him. Vader is massively over as a damn monster. His return and feud with Vader has money printed all over it. It would take a group of idiots to screw this one up. It would take a plethora of terrible decisions in a row to make people not care. It would take ... WCW.


Spoiler:
My Pick: Lost in Cleveland


Spoiler:
The plan in Foley's mind was to shoot 12-13 vignettes to hype him up as a huge face seeking revenge for a devastating injury. Then he received a phone call. According to his book, the powers that be had decided that "One thing we know is that these vignettes need comedy. We can't run so many of these without comedy or else the fans will get tired of them". Despite his protests that there was nothing funny about being powerbombed onto the concrete and sustaining serious injuries, the brass had spoken. When they sent him the scripts, he knew that it was hot hot hot garbage.

Most of the videos aren't on youtube that I can find. So this will be explained using both Foley's book and a breakdown of the angle from elsewhere.

Our hero's tale begins with a reporter named Catherine White searching for the whereabouts of Cactus Jack. Her first trek takes her to a mental institution where some actor does a terrible Jack Nicholson One Flew Over impression. Cleveland. Jack's definitely in Cleveland. So off we go to Cleveland! #2 starts with this:


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This is Catherine White reporting for WCW. Believe it or not our newfound friend, Swampy, did give us a call; collect. So now we're here in Cleveland being led - or so we're told - to an encampment where Cactus Jack, now missing for weeks, has taken up residence.

It turns out our good friend Swampy - yes, Swampy - is a homeless man. He leads us into an area where many homeless are gathered around Cactus Jack, who has befriended them. As we lean in close we can hear Cactus giving them advice.

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And though I've spent most of my years at sea, I've learned that life on land is really just the same. Some would say "no mate, it's very different. Out there on the ocean your horizons are unlimited while here on land you can only see as far as the next light". Well, it's true that from a Crow's Nest you can see further than most of us will ever see. From a clear horizon, every point looks the same.

You see, Cactus Jack believes that he is NOT Cactus Jack. He believes he is a sailor who had drifted ashore. He doesn't this Cactus Jack you speak of! For you see, Cactus Jack has ... AMNESIA.

A little amnesia won't stop our babyface from showing how good of a guy he is though! In the next episode of the series, Captain Jack convinces our friend Swampy to get a job instead of drinking himself to death or something as well as fixing little kids bicycles.

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There you go Jenny. She's an old vessel but she's seaworthy again. Should be clear sailing on that paper route of yours.
Catherine White didn't major in communications for nothing though. She sees it as her duty to remind Cactus Jack who he really is. To do this, she enlists his wife Colette and his son Dewey to come down to Cleveland and snap him out of it. The uh, only problem? WCW decided his wife was too hot for him. So they hired a more ... homely ... person to play his wife. That's right, the company decided his real life wife was too hot for him and therefore wouldn't be something the audience would believe. You know. In this segment about him having amnesia, believing he's a ship captain, fixing bicycles, and living among the homeless. Colette's attractiveness would be the thing to make it impossible to suspend disbelief.

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Catherine: Colette. It's safe. Bring Dewey.

Fake Colette (Sobbing): Jack, we've missed you.

Captain Jack: I'm sorry. I don't know you. I wish I did.

and this new woman upsets Captain Jack's current girlfriend: Bang Bang.

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Bang Bang (to Colette): I hope you learned some wrestling moves working for the WCW. Cause if you don't get out of here you're gonna need em!

Captain Jack: Now now bang bang. Now now. Keep an even keel. Don't go raising your colors just cause you don't like the cut of her jib.

So Colette and Dewey run away in tears. What's next for our heroic seafaring repair man? What can possible snap him out of his amnesia and remind him that he's a WCW superstar DAMMIT and he needs to go get revenge on Big Van Vader? What other trick is up the sleeve of ace reporter Catherine White?

We don't know. They pulled the plug on this disaster at this point. They just had Cactus Jack run in during a PPV back to normal.

As for the big money payoff with Vader? Well that never happened either. They fought in a house show once or something upon his return before doing different things for a while.



WCW took an angle that was hot and turned it into a joke. Literally. Worse than that, they took someone that risked serious injuries by taking a powerbomb onto concrete and turned his plight into a joke. I'll finish this off with a quote from Foley's book on his thoughts about how WCW handled this:

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It was as if a bunch of guys had gathered in a board room and said, "Okay, gentlemen, what we've got here is an angle that people believe in, a wrestler who was willing to put his life on the line, and a feud that's going to draw a ton of money. Now tell me, what can we do about this nagging problem? I know, let's make the fans feel like idiots for ever believing in anything we did. That way, they'll be cynical and uncaring the next time we try to do an exciting angle on television. As for that wrestler guy, well, we'll show him. We'll make him curse the day he ever sacrificed his body for this company. Let's make him look like a complete nincompoop. Oh, we'll show him. Head bouncing off the concrete and all that concussion business. We'll make a farce out of him, that's what we'll do. Gentlemen, you have my word that as long as I'm in charge, this company will never, and I do mean NEVER, make a dime. Meeting adjourned."

Have a Nice Day
Page 249



Spoiler:
Mae Young gives birth to a hand
Dawn Marie seduces and kills Torrie Wilson's dad Al
Claire Lynch
Lost in Cleveland

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04-16-2017 , 01:28 PM
That's another new one on me, and another worthy pick. Man that's awful.

Teejay is still on skip until he makes a pick, so action is on eyebooger.
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04-16-2017 , 01:32 PM
Yeah awesome pick, new for me and enjoyed the write up.
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04-16-2017 , 02:40 PM
Not as good a writeup as I want, but I have to go and don't want to hold things up.



I hope this isn't recency bias, but this was the worst thing I saw in wrestling in quite some time. Even if the payoff was amazing, it was completely inexcusable in 2016 to do this. As you might guess from it's placement in this draft, the payoff wasn't amazing. In fact it was non-existent, unless you count endangering the well-being of a high level performer.

I select:
Lesnar vs Orton (Summerslam 2016)

In 2015 and 2016, Brock Lesnar was possibly the most pushed wrestler in WWE history. He broke The Undertaker's Wrestlemania streak, destroyed John Cena at Summerslam the year before, and only lost the title on a surprise MITB cash-in where he didn't even get pinned.

For Summerslam 2016, they announced that Orton would be Lesnar's opponent to a rousing "who cares" from wrestling fans around the world. But Orton came out and gave possibly the best promo of his career on the Highlight Reel at Battleground.

People were actually interested in Orton for the first time in years. Orton attacked Lesnar on Raw; Lesnar attacked Orton on SD. It was very well done.

At Summerslam, for some reason, Lesnar/Orton was given the main event slot, even though the first ever Universal Champion would be decided on that show.

So what happened? For starters, the match sucked. Most of us (especially in this forum) had grown sick of the "suplex city" formula to Lesnar matches. But that's not the reason I'm picking this. I'm picking this for the finish.

The finish was Brock Lesnar, former UFC champion, BLASTING ORTON IN THE HEAD WITH LEGIT MMA ELBOWS.

The match was stopped with Orton lying in a pool of blood. Replays show that he was legitimately unconscious for awhile. For a company supposedly focused on health and wellness, to have someone like Lesnar (who had just come off pissing hot for a UFC event) do that to Orton is completely unacceptable in this day and age.

Orton and Lesnar would never cross paths again. Orton would join the Wyatts for awhile and Lesnar would get beat up by an old man.
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04-16-2017 , 03:31 PM
Thought I could let Lost in Cleveland slip one more round
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04-16-2017 , 03:52 PM
With my fourth-round pick, I select...

Spoiler:
Could this be symbolic?!


Spoiler:
COULD THIS BE SYMBOLIC?!?


Spoiler:
At WrestleMania XV, The Undertaker defeats The Big Boss Man inside of Hell in a Cell. He hits him with a Tombstone, rendering him unconscious and scoring the three-count.

As Taker stands in the middle of the ring victorious, The Brood - Edge, Christian, and Gangrel - rappels from the ceiling and lands on top of the cell. They attempt to pry open the ceiling of the cell, and eventually at least tear enough of a hole in it that they're able to drop a noose down to Undertaker.





Taker accepts the noose and goes to work, fastening it around the Boss Man's neck as the top of the rope is attached to the top of the cell. Cue Paul Bearer, off in another part of the arena, who presses a button on some sort of control and causes the cell to begin to rise back up, setting Boss Man up to hang once it gets high enough to lift him off the ground.



Boss Man, realizing that he was going to literally be murdered and being at least mildly alarmed by that fact, starts flailing wildly to try to escape his predicament, as Michael Cole screams, "King, could this be symbolic?! COULD THIS BE SYMBOLIC?!?" The Boss Man's efforts to save himself are too little, too late. The air to his throat is cut off, his body goes limp, and the Boss Man has been publicly executed on live TV at WrestleMania.



As the house lights drop and we are spared further visual of a human corpse dangling from the ceiling, Michael Cole says, "Oh my God! The Ministry of Darkness is out of control! Is it symbolic, King?! IS IT SYMBOLIC?!?"

Within literally five seconds of that line, Cole goes back into normal voice and says, "Well folks, it's been a WrestleMania weekend in Philadelphia. Last night the rage party at the Philadelphia Convention Center, what a show!" And they go to clips of some party from last night. Once we're back in the arena, no further mention is made of the angle that we just saw; it's time for the next match.

I select The Execution of the Big Boss Man.


Spoiler:
Draft:
Fingerpoke of Doom
Giant falls to his death, then promptly wrestles
Gobbledygooker
Execution of the Big Boss Man
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04-16-2017 , 04:00 PM
I'm not at my computer, so I'll make my pick now and insert the write up when I get home. And I'm not copying the previous pick.

Spoiler:
The Undertaker buries Paul Bearer alive in cement.
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04-16-2017 , 04:22 PM
I didn't want to do two suspended in the air Undertaker matches back to back, so I didn't take the Mania XV match. And yeah there were two separate matches involving The Undertaker and wrestlers being suspended from the ceiling. I ****ing hate you, Vince McMahon
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