I was thinking about some of the stuff said in this thread and probably the most important thing is that we really aren't the demographic they're going for.

I mean look at the music they use, the guests they get, and the designs of the tee shirts they sell. The WWE markets to the Saliva and Disturbed and Limp Bizkit fans of the world.

Which is a big reason why wrestling is really really not cool these days, and hasn't been for years (and almost for decades).

I thought WWE tries to market to Pitbull fans.

I've wondered about the demographic targeting in other threads. Seth Rollins mic skills and JBL and Lawler's comedy are rated much higher on other forums than here. And the people writing on other forums are literate and willing to read and write, which already probably puts them in the top 2/3 of the audience if not higher in intellect.

I'm fairly sure even the wwe has no idea who they're marketing to. They're just throwing **** on the wall all over the place and seeing what sticks

NXT is marketed towards the Indy fans

Cena for the kids

Bork for us

Remember when the great khali was champ to get that indian crowd? Or ADR for the mexican crowd?

It's just all so scattered and lazily done

Take a guess what the average WWE viewer's age is, then click this link:

http://411mania.com/wrestling/wwe-vi...down-released/

I was way off.

Let em start by saying this is the only forum I look at with regards to wrestling so I really dont know what others on the web think. Im curious as to what the demographics are on those other forums. I ask because at 40 years old, Im guessing Im one of if not the oldest person here, and I also think that most here undervalue Rollins on the mic and JBL on commentary. Lawler just does the same schtick he has done since the 90's, but now with a face twist. Its old and he either needs to freshen it up or disappear. JBL has moments when he is really funny and entertaining, I think his major weakness is that he is way too blunt about his heelishness. I would think that adding a lot more subtlety to his presentation would make him really good.

I'm guessing they are younger than this forum on average, but that is based on the writing and personality, not any data collection or anything. I'm curious what wrestling fans over 50 think because that is a big WWE demographic but that age group doesn't have a huge internet forum presence as far as I know.

At the end of the day the only demographic the writers are trying to appeal to are 69 year old CEOs.

Lot of good points being made. They definitely are confused and/or aimless.

I mean they've had machine gun Kelley (?) and Kathy Lee (?) as guests on raw in the last year.

Well if I remember correctly, werent Kathy Lee and the other Today woman promoting a charity when they were on? Im not a fan of either of them but you cant really fault them for that. Also Im guessing that Machine Gun guy was on purely in the WWE's eyes as a way to get more heat on Owens. If they werent in his hometown, I doubt he would have been anywhere near the stage for RAW

my interest level is the lowest it's been since i started watching again in 2011 and very close to when i completely stopped watching back in 1999. only difference is that in 1999 i was in high school and had better things to do like go out and have fun. nowadays i just change the channel to something slightly less terrible.

for me it's the repetitiveness of it all. feud randomly starts with no backstory. 4 raws of guest commentary, distraction roll-ups and tag team matches, PPV match, rematch on following raw, rinse and repeat. i don't expect every feud to have a complex compelling storyline but they put zero effort into anything anymore.

the belts being meaningless hurts a lot for me. i really enjoy the history/statistical aspect of things and go into a wiki black hole for hours looking up title histories, etc. i remember in 1999 i stopped watching when the chyna won the IC title because i couldn't stomach it (this was shortly after val venis and godfather iirc) anymore. i get a similar feeling watching dean ambrose hold the US title for a year and not defend it or the IC champ jobbing out on smackdown for no reason.

the main event scene is awful. other than early/mid 90's WWF i can't remember a time the main event scene was this boring. lesnar and rollins are very good but that's about it. i don't care about orton at all. i don't like reigns and i think ambrose is awful and incredibly overrated in all aspects. the bigger problem is that with the way the secondary titles are booked, there aren't any midcarders who can believably jump to the next level right now. back in the day when the IC champ was protected, nobody would doubt for a second that razor ramon or shawn michaels or mr. perfect or steve austin or ken shamrock etc could give the world champ a run. why would we ever expect ziggler/barrett/miz etc to be able to put on a match with these guys? all they do is lose!

commentary is awful. i hate social media stuff to begin with and seeing all that crap make its way into wrestling is just the pits.

That Machine Gun Kelly angle was such a horrible botch if they wanted to get heat on Owens. First 99% of the people watching on TV aren't from Kelly's hometown, so Owens coming out to stop that was a face move. Who cares if it is in the celebrity's hometown; it isn't a house show. Second they had Kelly shove Owens, so it wasn't completely unprovoked (and didn't he shove another wrestler before this?). And third Kelly no sold the thing on social media and on appearances right afterwards.

Fourth, who the hell is machine gun kelly anyway

Get someone actually famous

This would be like instead of Mike Tyson being the guest enforcer you got whoever the #15 light heavyweight in the world was

Same for me and even got back into it in 2011. I've pretty much completely stopped watching. Cancelled my membership a few days ago so I don't see watching unless I'm around during a ppv so I can stream.

John Cena's friend.

I agree, but we do know that crowds will play follow the leader when it comes to who to boo and who to cheer. So if they got a huge negative reaction in his hometown, then there was a possibility for that to carry over. See the Royal Rumble. Im not saying the Reigns wasnt getting booed before, but when my peeps in Philly booed him out of the building, every other town followed suit until after WM.

There's a doc on the world heavyweight championship on the network if you haven't seen it yet. It's not bad.

So are four hundred Make-A-Wish kids, I don't see Owens powerbombing them through anything.

There was a promo that Owens and Cena did together either right before or after their first match when Cena pointed to a kid in the audience that had cancer and said he fights for kids like that. I think I may have posted here at the time that I was begging for that kid to be a plant and Owens go out into the crowd and mess with him. Ill admit I felt a little bad after that thought, but only a little

The fact that this thread is so negative on WWE, yet the Lucha Underground thread only has 22 posts makes me a sad panda.

AT&T not carrying that El Rey network is a beat. I can't get Lucha Underground on TV here.

LU is legit fantastic

I've caught a bit of it; it's one of those "hard to get into if you don't know the stories" sort of things.

Plus the thing WWE does well is having actually-live events, and/or events on very short delay (Smackdown). Checking the Lucha Underground wiki they apparently have champs that happened in April and it won't be aired until August? That makes it much more like a soap opera and less of a sporting-event type of atmosphere... to each his own I guess?

Isn't that kind of what we want though? Well-developed characters that we can get invested in?

It sure as hell beats "Bray Wyatt attacks Person X this PPV for no goddamn reason at all".

The live thing certainly does help provide an "anything can happen" atmosphere, but it's LU's first season. Surely they can't be expected to have live events so early in the promotion.