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01-09-2012 , 10:46 PM
Hogan/Savage match was a disappointment. Great angle, ok match with awful ending sequence. Hogan/Slaughter had a very good angle and much more emotional match with highs/lows imo.
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01-10-2012 , 12:37 AM
I'm probably not going to be in the norm here, but I'm going to say HBK/Jericho, because I'm such a huge mark for HBK in his 2nd run and "King of the World" Jericho and that what they did here is splendid for me, though its tough to judge that match on the spectrum. Its a fantastic match, yet its not one of those greatest of all time matches.

HBK/Jericho is pretty much just two men with similar styles putting a great 20 min clinic with Jericho kicking HBK in the nuts after the match and being such a good as*hole at the end.
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01-10-2012 , 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by 12ressiMorP
Hogan/Savage match was a disappointment. Great angle, ok match with awful ending sequence. Hogan/Slaughter had a very good angle and much more emotional match with highs/lows imo.
I agree the build up to that match was great. If i remember correctly was last bleeding in a camel clutch before the pay per view

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjN7_C3DKRs

I guess he only bled during the actual Mania macth. Slaughter was friends with sadam!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXkF2...eature=related

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01-10-2012 , 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by anguyen92
I'm probably not going to be in the norm here, but I'm going to say HBK/Jericho
with your vote it's 9-5 so

i would have been uber life tilted if it was the other way around...but i do see the argument.
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01-10-2012 , 12:53 AM
I just can't see greatest match of all time as being all about workrate, or Hogan/Savage would lose to a garden-variety Juventud vs. La Parka match on Nitro. And workrate is really the only category HBK/Jericho wins in this matchup IMO, even though that one advantage is by a noticeable margin.
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01-10-2012 , 01:28 AM
By the way, with regard to how ties will be treated...I would say just sudden death OT, first eligible voter to come in and break the tie ends the matchup if the deadline has passed and the score is even. I don't want to do it WWF-style and turn that into a bye.
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01-10-2012 , 02:24 AM
Why is there no ECW, RoH, or hell even TNA matches on this list?
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01-10-2012 , 02:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Pharoah00
Why is there no ECW, RoH, or hell even TNA matches on this list?
Damn I meant to nominate Punk/Joe 2 but completely forgot. Such an awesome match. I need to re-watch Hogan/Savage before I cast my vote but I'm leaning towards Y2J/HBK.
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01-10-2012 , 02:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Pharoah00
Why is there no ECW, RoH, or hell even TNA matches on this list?
Because as the nominations thread lay there dormant I nominated like half the field and have barely seen any RoH or TNA. I've seen a fair bit of ECW but nothing came to mind. Also Dylan was too busy nominating HBK/God vs. Vince/Shane. Eventually a bracket was made. Far from perfect I'm sure, but matches from smaller companies were never going to do more than advance a round or two in a popular vote contest on a board like this that tends to be WWE-centric, so I think the field we've got is a pretty acceptable one.
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01-10-2012 , 02:41 AM
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Originally Posted by LKJ
Because as the nominations thread lay there dormant I nominated like half the field and have barely seen any RoH or TNA. I've seen a fair bit of ECW but nothing came to mind. Also Dylan was too busy nominating HBK/God vs. Vince/Shane. Eventually a bracket was made. Far from perfect I'm sure, but matches from smaller companies were never going to do more than advance a round or two in a popular vote contest on a board like this that tends to be WWE-centric, so I think the field we've got is a pretty acceptable one.
haha Meltzer gave that match a good review, and it felt wrong to not have a Vince or Shane match nominated.
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01-10-2012 , 03:19 AM
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Originally Posted by LKJ
Because as the nominations thread lay there dormant I nominated like half the field
i think i did the other half and i think lots of people haven't seen many ROH/ECW/puro epics. If I thought they did that thread would have been littered with puro and roh matches with an odd wwe match getting in. ECW didn't really have but a couple matches* that were decent compared to the all time best.

*Malenko vs Guerrero 2/3 falls and Sabu/RVD vs Sandman/Dreamer where Dreamer got his balls whacked with a cane.
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01-10-2012 , 03:57 AM
hbk/y2j match was prolly better, but the hogan/macho match gave me chills.

vote: hogan/macho
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01-10-2012 , 04:05 AM
Voting continues until 4:22p EST tomorrow on the HBK/Y2J vs. Hogan/Savage matchup (now a three vote gap), but in the meantime I'm going to throw another one up. Like I said, just going to go for posting two per day and will stagger them out but run them concurrently. Every matchup will get 24 hours worth of voting.
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01-10-2012 , 04:06 AM
NORTHEAST REGION MATCHUP #1:

#7 SEED: 10-MAN TAG: BRET HART, OWEN HART, BRITISH BULLDOG, JIM NEIDHART, BRIAN PILLMAN VS. STEVE AUSTIN, KEN SHAMROCK, GOLDUST AND L.O.D. (CANADIAN STAMPEDE 1997)

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diF-xZ6I72Y
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGI1ykK_SLI
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9piC8-1ieao
Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiP48u_srKQ

If this were a “matches with hottest crowds” tournament, this match would be a 1 or 2 seed. The anti-American Hart Foundation stable was wrestling up north of the border, where they were massively over babyfaces, to take on a team of American babyfaces that were massively hated heels in Canada. If you’re a mark for the Hart family, this match is heaven. It was a great angle with great heat, and Steve Austin honestly hardly ever got booed this loudly when he actually turned heel.

As far as 8-man or 10-man matches go that are scheduled for only one fall, I don’t know that there is a better match in existence. Time will tell how well it fares against the great singles matches of all time.

VERSUS

#10 SEED: KURT ANGLE VS. THE ROCK (NO WAY OUT 2001)

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3XmSl6tN3w
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd9-QxOsjlI
Part 3: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xiv...2001-3-3_sport

The Rock had successfully defended the WWF Title against Kurt Angle and Triple H in a triple threat match at SummerSlam, but Kurt Angle won the belt from him a couple of months later at a PPV called No Mercy. Now in today’s world, this would obviously mean an impromptu rematch the next night on free TV, but back then they went ahead and built toward a rematch several months later at No Way Out. On the line was the title and the main event spot at WrestleMania XVII against Steve Austin.

Without question, this rematch delivered. Rocky and Angle have great chemistry and put on a great show together. Angle putting Rocky in the ankle lock and earnestly yelling “give up before I break your ****ing ankle” is awesome.

VOTING ON THIS MATCH IS NOW OPEN. POST YOUR VOTE IN THIS THREAD; THE POLL WILL CLOSE AT 3:06 A.M. EASTERN TIME ON WEDNESDAY THE 11TH.

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01-10-2012 , 04:20 AM
My vote: another pretty easy one for me. I vote for the 10-man. Angle vs. Rocky was top-notch and would be a serious contender for match of the year in any of the past five years or so, but Canadian Stampede is memorable for me in a way that few are. Austin’s every move being booed until his ejection elicited raucous cheers, the Harts being cheered as heroes at every possible move, Jim Ross doing a very nice job from the commentary desk…I very much love the 10-man and while it's looking at a tough draw next round, I can see myself voting for it again if it advances here.

Also the near-fall at the end of Angle-Rocky is a pretty significant blemish in the ending sequence. It doesn't appear from the angle we get that Angle actually kicked out...but Hebner stopped his count anyway. Messed with that whole finish. But really good match and props to Rocky for selling the leg injury like an absolute champ.
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01-10-2012 , 04:31 AM
I have to vote HBK/Jericho on the 2nd one. The Hogan match is way more significant, but it just wasn't a good match.

HBK/Jericho, aside from a ****ty build, has everything you want in a fantastic match. I'm probably taking history in to account far less than the rest of you, so HBK/Jericho gets my vote.
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01-10-2012 , 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by LKJ
I just can't see greatest match of all time as being all about workrate, or Hogan/Savage would lose to a garden-variety Juventud vs. La Parka match on Nitro. And workrate is really the only category HBK/Jericho wins in this matchup IMO, even though that one advantage is by a noticeable margin.
This is a good point but you can also look at it the other way around. I just can't give my vote to a match based on build and hype alone, when the match itself was pretty average and had a ridiculous finish.

It also seems like people here didn't really like the HBK/Jericho angle, but from what I learned from watching the match, I think it's a great angle. It's very very simple but everyone instantly gets it and that's a huge positive. It's a dynamic that you'll find in other sports as well so you can be sure that the crowd knows what it's about.
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01-10-2012 , 06:16 AM
As much as I love Macho and the commentary, HBK/Jericho is just a much more entertaining match so that gets my vote.

Rock/Angle gets my vote for the other matchup and that one wasnt even close.
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01-10-2012 , 06:42 AM
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This is a good point but you can also look at it the other way around. I just can't give my vote to a match based on build and hype alone, when the match itself was pretty average and had a ridiculous finish.

It also seems like people here didn't really like the HBK/Jericho angle, but from what I learned from watching the match, I think it's a great angle. It's very very simple but everyone instantly gets it and that's a huge positive. It's a dynamic that you'll find in other sports as well so you can be sure that the crowd knows what it's about.
I mean, I think Hogan/Savage had more than build and hype. In terms of psychology, atmosphere, big event feel, live commentary from Jesse and Gorilla, etc...everything clicked really well IMO. But obviously only some of the voters see this my way.

HBK/Jericho's angle was just kind of generic is all, I wouldn't say I disliked it. It's just a clear point of inferiority in this matchup against the Hogan/Savage angle that I think would easily go deep in a "best all-time angles" bracket. Even a lot of the HBK/Jericho voters have noted that much.

I do think HBK/Jericho is really damn good overall, and I would vote for it against a lot of really good matches. Gotta say though, even though I just voted against it, I might like this Rock/Angle match better than HBK/Jericho. I think again that this is the "awesome Shawn Michaels matches are so commonplace that they start to blend together" effect that's going to keep working against some of his matches when it comes to earning my vote.

EDIT: Oh, but as a long-suffering Mariners fan I do appreciate the Safeco Field backdrop for HBK/Jericho. That's a nice touch.
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01-10-2012 , 07:02 AM
damn i think the 10man/rock one is tough. i was leading rock/angle but the damn finish, along w/ big show coming in def. ruins it. going to go 10man, just an epic match; it was such a cool and unique match, one of a kind.

vote: 10-man tag
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01-10-2012 , 08:06 AM
The 10-man tag is one of my five favourite matches of all time. I remember nothing about the other match.
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01-10-2012 , 08:09 AM
I can't tell if that's a vote or not, though the bolding makes me think it is. I'll wait for you to confirm before counting it.
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01-10-2012 , 08:10 AM
Yes, it is.
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01-10-2012 , 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by LKJ
I can't tell if that's a vote or not, though the bolding makes me think it is. I'll wait for you to confirm before counting it.
That's not a bad precedent to set.

Rock/Angle was decent enough I suppose, but I vote 10-man tag, and it's not really close.
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01-10-2012 , 11:23 AM
1 more HBK vs Jericho vote.

I never did wrestling in the Hogan age so i have no nostalgia about how he was awesome because i was a kid and didnt know better. I can look back on old matches and appreciate most of them on some level, but Hogan is a douche who screwed everyone over, had a ****ty gimmick, wasnt outstanding on the mic and was a completely terrible wrestler. He was everything people hate about Cena now only with a lot less talent.

Tbh i dont think the Jericho HBK match was outstanding either. Its gonna get crushed in later rounds if it wins through, but its definitely better than the Hogan Randy match.
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