Looks like Kenny's been drinking his juice.

Lol.

I caught the last 20 or so minutes of O vs O. I was underwhelmed. Jericho/Naito was pretty good.

I thought the last 20 mins was awesome. If you were underwhelmed then definitely don't watch the first 20 mins.

this held true. Cody got the pin. Kenny wins. Kenny vs. Cody in LA.

I couldn't get into big bomb, sell fatigue, repeat. How long did it end up going?

I dozed in and out the first two falls

That's disgusting. Cody sucks.

Also I find it really weird that Cody made this big deal about All In and then chose Magnus as his opponent.

It was easily over 60 mins. I know what you mean though, it was just spot, rest, spot, rest. They were usually nice spots though.

I won't deny this. I especially liked the spot where Kenny hit the OWA next to the ropes because it was so sloppy and sold the exhaustion incredibly well.

I felt the ending was odd. It seemed to just kind of come out of nowhere and while I could see myself bitching about the same old ****, it didn't hit NJPW levels of main event finishes.

Things like Okada hitting two German suplexes near the end while holding Omega and then Omega reversing a 3rd attempt to a V-Trigger and Okada immediately hitting another German when they're trying to sell exhaustion and have been wrestling for an hour at that point completely take me out of it.

After 169 votes on cagematch.net, it has a 9.91 rating and the label of GMOAT. I can only imagine this going higher when Da Meltz gives this 7+ stars.

Lastly, I'm glad the Jr. title's off of Will. He's ****ing terrible. I had that thought before last nights match and seeing him be so dangerous in that spot makes me never want to see him again. Just cage his flippy ass in Dragon Gate.

Now I just wanna see Jericho vs. Tanahashi

My opinion: Okada/Omega was fantastic, but only third-best of their trilogy ...

1. WK11
2. G127
3. Dominion 2018
4. Dominion 2017

It's no coincidence the last two on that list are the longest. I have never been a fan of matches going over 40 minutes. Ever.

That said, all four matches are still great.

Jericho makes a great madman but meh at him winning and being IC champ.

Haven't seen the junior title match yet. I'm a (much) bigger Ospreay fan than some (most?) on here, and have never gotten into Takahashi's wrestling at all (though the character and mannerisms are fantastic). Maybe that match will change my mind.

Interesting how we all view these things differently.

Pretty sure Dar0 hates Will as well.

My problem with Will is that I don't feel most of what he does is realistic. It all comes off as choreographed and fake. I like Hiromu and KUSHIDA a lot more because they can make it feel real and don't feel like gymnasts performing a floor routine with a partner when they're on offense.

[ ]Trilogy

I'd go the same order. I thought Dominion 2017 was almost offensively bad and it was predictable. WK and G-1 are the only ones that I've watched more than once. WK went 46:45 but it felt like 30 minutes whereas the Dominion 2017 felt like forever. I'll rewatch last nights since I missed the beginning but probably never again after that.

Yeah "trilogy" was dumb of me.

I think Will is great. I think Ricochet is great. I still stand that Will v Rocochet was an amazing athletic display an a horrendous wrestling match.

Can we start calling Naito NJPW's Dolph Zoggler yet?

My mistake. It was El Kabong who doesn't like him. Perhaps hate was too strong.

I think Ricochet is miles better than Will. I never watched that match . I saw one gif of it and decided I wouldn't like it.

He should've won at WK.

Naito's basically what Okada would've been in 2013 if Okada didn't get an immediate WK rematch vs. Tanahashi and take the title.

Ospreay/Ricochet was terrible.

I wasn't a big fan of Ospreay until this year, for what it's worth. I think his post-WK stuff has been tremendous (again, haven't seen the Dominion match). Ospreay-Scurll might be my favorite match of the year, including Okada-Omega.

I did read that that match was fantastic. People online and Big Dave on his cast put that match over hard. I'm curious how you'd compare that with last night's match (after you get around to it!) as I've heard people say that last night's wasn't even close to living up to that Scurll match. Perhaps I'd give that Will/Scurll match a shot.

Yeah I can't stand Will. No doubt very talented and impressive but just not my type of thing. Also tilts me hard how he points at the sky and starts nearly every move like he's the road runner.

I don't believe Big Dave has released his ratings yet as that's usually during the week but listening to his cast from this morning, he said that it's the best match he's ever seen.

I'm putting the u/o on stars at 7.

edits:
Browsing Cagematch atm and I see Da Meltz gave Hiromu vs. Ishimori from BotSJ finals *****1/2 (5.5*).

Under.

I guess maybe a push, but no way is he going to say something like 7.5

The whole thing is stupid anyway. Giving that 6 at WK 11 (and not admitting the mistake) ruined the system forever.

I'd actually guess the push.

I think the highest rated match is ******1/4 for last year's Dominion match. He said on today's pod that "this one broke the scale again".

I kind of agree. I kind of get giving that 6 if he think it's the GMOAT but giving others after it is dumb though and ruined it. There have been at least 3 > 5* since then (Okada/Tana, O vs. O II, Hiromu/Ishimori). Perhaps there have been more, I don't remember off hand how much he gave the G-1 O vs. O match.

According to profightdb, he gave:

6 to Okada/Omega WK11
6.25 to Okada/Omega Dominion 2017
6 to Okada/Omega G1 2017 B Block de facto finals
5.75 to Naito/Omega G1 2017 finals
5.5 to Okada/Tanahashi
5.5 to Hiromu/Ishimori

And he once gave 6 to a Misawa/Kiwada match.

That's it for >5.

So basically 6 of the last 7 (soon to be 7 of the last 8) greatest matches in wrestling history have happened in the last 18 months. Stupid beyond words.

Someone upped the part of his cast where he discusses O vs. O.



My favorite part in all of this is how they spend a solid two minutes going over Okada's dropkicks. People argue forever and a day about who's dropkick is better, Orton or Okada. In WWE, it's treated as a nothing move. In NJPW, it's treated as a near death move. The polar opposites make me laugh

His argument would be that there's never been a better wrestler than Kazuchika Okada. He says this in the vid above, as does Bryan. However, I do agree with you.

From what I've read, it seems unlikely that Jericho makes this show.

This is just how journalism works now. It's disappointing, but you get more clicks/subs/ratings for spouting controversial hot takes than you do for just saying "yeah that match was great it's 5 stars like all of these other great matches".

Skip Bayless doesn't say "Lebron is an all time great but I'd slightly prefer Jordan if we're nitpicking". He says Lebron sucks and is a choke artist. Then he gets anti-Lebron people to turn in and agree and he gets pro-Lebron people to turn in to hate watch because they disagree. He doesn't really give a **** about what he says as long as people turn in.

Meltzer gets more people talking about him on both sides by giving things 6.5 stars than he ever would just giving them 5. So that's what he does. Just gotta roll your eyes and tune it out if it's not for you (it's not for me).

That makes a lot of sense. Meltzer and WON have always been prevalent in wrestling media but it seems like his name recognition, fan base and especially haters have grown a lot in the past few years. Go to the comments sections of any wrestling site reporting on something Melzter said and you will see all kinds of reactions.

I just dont remotely get the Okada as the undisputed GOAT viewpoint. He's a weak seller and his character work leaves a lot to be desired. I dont get how you can come to the conclusion that he's better than Kenny or that hes certainly better than Naito or Tanahashi.