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Originally Posted by MidasForTheGold
Exactly, it's just another example of Jim Cornette not knowing what gets over in 2012 though. He still books as if ROH is SMW and the year is 1990. Although to be fair, if Cornette says they're turning Steen heel, then it's Steens job to think of ways to adjust his character too, so the fans don't like him.
I get what you are saying here, but Punk is having the same trouble in the WWE. What's good for the goose...
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Originally Posted by Wallypop
More making out with dudes should solidify his heel turn.
LOL
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Originally Posted by dnkyhunter31
Cole vs OReilly at ROH Best in the World was a really good match. Overcame the stupid ass rules that could have sunk it, and produced a legit ****1/4 match IMO.
The problem that ROH is having is not in the ring. The booking is bad. Workrate wise, these guys are still the best in the USA.
100% agree here i thought the match was amazing.
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Originally Posted by yankeys316
One of the things I've found that I don't like about RoH is just that the crowd refuses to "play along" and like someone else mentioned it's going to be almost impossible to turn Steen. As was also mentioned Cornette is somewhat stuck in a past where kayfabe was alive and well and he just hasn't adjusted his style well.
For what it's worth, it would be awesome if he pushed RoH into more of a tradional kayfabe-era fed, but it would hard with the knowledge level of their fans along with their match-style which is more of an athletics demonstration than anything resembling a traditional pro wrestling match featuring an in-ring story and psychology.
See CM Punk-WWE
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Originally Posted by MidasForTheGold
See, Yankeys has got it in 1. The ROH fanbase is a predominatly smark fanbase, which goes against Cornettes strengths of being able to manipulate crowds. Smarks know what they like, and won't let anyone change it, but if you look at SMW in the 90s, which was a fanbase full of hicks who were complete marks, he maniulated the **** out of them and got the desired reactions, and I'm sure if he were writing / booking for TNA or WWE, he could get some good storylines, but we all know the problems which will stop either of those happening.
ROH was prime in 2005/6 when they had a strong roster of great workers, who knew that the only real storylines the fans would buy is supershows, and cards based on seeing someone they love vs the champion who they love, but jeer as he's such a good worker (Dragon). When they got TV, their style had to change massively to suit TV, it did, and soon the aura surrounding ROH and it's fans largely died, the internet hype was cut short and they became TNA lite which was their death, but at the end of the day, the companies business model was extremely flawed, and left them in huge debt until the sale.
PWGs model is a huge success as they are a monthly company who put out fantastic shows, in (or near) a metropolis city with a massive population, sell out every show, and know they can rely on the large national and international DVD sales to push them in to profitability, if anything, they are 2006 ROH, in everything but schedule and need to fly in huge names from opposite sides of the US as they use LA local guys mainly. Visca PWG!
I have not checked out PWG ( sounds like some research is in order) Some of the best matches of the Cena era of WWE were in ROH IMO.
Having Cornette book ROH at this point makes things dated. I have a problem with how things are going in the company, but I am willing to give them the time and effort to get them back up there. Steen was the reason why I came back to ROH, but they do still have that depth of talent that may save them, despite Cornette's booking, simply because the smarks will still continue to follow them. Once ROH loses their talent, it won't matter who is booking them.