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09-21-2015 , 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by diskoteque
There are jobber matches, just not how we remember them from superstars 1992. Nowadays the "jobbers" (rose, truth, fandango, etc) are given more personality and sometimes their own angles and feuds.
No I know this, but these matches don't fill up the majority of programming like they should.

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Where everything goes off the rails is when creative decided to give these guys a win or two for no reason at all. Looking back to the truth vs Barrett feud, for example... What was the point of truth ever getting those wins exactly? If you're gonna elevate them that's fine, otherwise they should never win and especially not against guys who are in the process of being elevated!
This is all about filling programming with "competitive matches" or whatever. They only do feuds between two people, and the only way they know how to do those is to have those guys wrestle each other 5+ times. Then throw in one distracting the other into a distraction roll-up, and maybe then a reversal where the other guy loses the same way.

As I've said before, on minor PPVs you should often see matches between non-feuding participants who have no particular animosity, with the reason of "they're wrestlers trying to improve their standing in a wrestling company." And then have one guy pin the other all on his own (cleanly or with cheating), with no involvement of one or more of the people they're feuding with.

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It's related to the fact that creative thinks fans have a memory of the last two weeks and nothing else.
I'm unfortunately really not even kidding when I say that, for the most part, I don't think that creative themselves remembers most of what they did more than two weeks ago.
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09-21-2015 , 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by LKJ
No I know this, but these matches don't fill up the majority of programming like they should.



This is all about filling programming with "competitive matches" or whatever. They only do feuds between two people, and the only way they know how to do those is to have those guys wrestle each other 5+ times. Then throw in one distracting the other into a distraction roll-up, and maybe then a reversal where the other guy loses the same way.

As I've said before, on minor PPVs you should often see matches between non-feuding participants who have no particular animosity, with the reason of "they're wrestlers trying to improve their standing in a wrestling company." And then have one guy pin the other all on his own (cleanly or with cheating), with no involvement of one or more of the people they're feuding with.
If you institute a weekly top 10 or top 20 list you would be able to easily have this without people complaining about the two wrestlers having no backstory. Also if you start this, you can add another original weekly show to the Network when you unveil the list every Friday or Saturday.

That brings me to what I really think the big problem here is. Its the fact that everything they are doing is geared towards Network subscriptions. They seem to feel that just bringing in a popular or used to be popular part timer every month for the PPV will keep subscriptions high. In a way they are right, but that will only last as long as they keep booking the Takers, Lesnars, and Stings. Eventually that well will dry up so I think they need to take a different approach to the Network. I really dont think this is the place to discuss that so I wont bore you with it
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09-21-2015 , 03:02 PM
The problem there is that Vince is genuinely opposed to WWE being seen as a "wrestling company." They're an entertainment company. The wrestling is just a mechanism to tell human stories.

No ****ing idea what made Vince so averse to wrestling. That seems like the mindset of some rich entrepreneur who bought a wrestling company on a whim because he could, not the mindset of someone who grew up in the business like he did.
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09-21-2015 , 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by uberkuber
Yeah he did beat him when Dolph distracted Rusev, but don't faces need to win clean once in a while?
They do if they are getting a push, but Cesaro isn't.
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09-21-2015 , 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by LKJ
The problem there is that Vince is genuinely opposed to WWE being seen as a "wrestling company." They're an entertainment company. The wrestling is just a mechanism to tell human stories.

No ****ing idea what made Vince so averse to wrestling. That seems like the mindset of some rich entrepreneur who bought a wrestling company on a whim because he could, not the mindset of someone who grew up in the business like he did.
It is some odd inferiority complex that possessed him to follow through on perhaps his two worst ideas: XFL and WBF. He's already rich, and considered the greatest wrestling promoter of all time, but apparently he thinks (probably correctly in some cases) that the other billionaires and millionaires look down on him for being "just" a wrestling promoter.
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09-21-2015 , 05:24 PM
Could it be because wwe is a public company now?
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09-21-2015 , 05:27 PM
They've been public since 2000. IIRC it still felt very much like a wrestling company during the ruthless aggression era.
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09-21-2015 , 06:02 PM
That's probably the realest they've ever felt as a wrestling company was during the RA.
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09-21-2015 , 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by moorobot
It is some odd inferiority complex that possessed him to follow through on perhaps his two worst ideas: XFL and WBF. He's already rich, and considered the greatest wrestling promoter of all time, but apparently he thinks (probably correctly in some cases) that the other billionaires and millionaires look down on him for being "just" a wrestling promoter.
I think you hit the nail on the head with this. Maybe he doesn't feel legit while rubbing elbows with the likes of a Donald Trump.
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