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10-24-2014 , 12:12 PM
You know, when somebody goes back and does an AE Podcast review of "The Reality Era" and only watches the PPVs, they'll think this was a ****ing awesome time for wrestling. Pitty the poor imagined future Kevin who watched the RAWS, for he is us and we are him and we did and man they sucked.

So let's embrace our inner Adam and Billy and just appreciate that this should be pretty great.

(if you don't listen to the AE Podcast, stop reading and do it, it's fantastic).

Infinity Gauntlet Tag Match: Dust Brothers (c) vs. The Usos

Why Are They Fighting: Because the Usos are really annoying and stale and Thanos sent the Dust Brothers down to earth to get them to knock that **** off. They did, but didn't go away because the Wyatt's had a lunch meeting or something and nobody realized that Dust Bros vs El Torito would be amazing so I guess we had to roll team leg slap out again.

What Will Happen: Dust Bros win clean, Usos are banished to negative zone.

Divas Be Trippin Yo Championship Match: AJ Lee (c) vs. Paige

Why Are They Fighting: Intertia? At one point there was a storyline here, but it's been pure insulting gibberish for a while now. AJ is the face who doesn't have friends like Paige does, so she loses a lot because friends help friends cheat because the WWE has a pretty cynical view of women.

What Will Happen:Bayley shows up to prove the real value of friendship to AJ, Hugplexes the rest of the Diva's roster into oblivion, calls her friends Charlotte and Emma and Sasha and Becky (she's still friends with them, because Bayley is the BEST) and everything is fixed. That or Paige wins probably.

Big Showppression vs. Rusev, The People's Champ

Why Are They Fighting: Big Show is working a Right To Censor 2014 gimmick and does not believe in freedom of expression. Rusev has national pride and a hot girl, a real hero fighting for his rights.

What Will Happen:Rusev wins and does an interview with Glenn Greenwald about overreaches in American national security policy.

Brie Bella vs. Nikki Bella: Self Respect on a Metaphorical Pole

Why Are They Fighting: Because for some reason this didn't get blown off when it was still hot?

What Will Happen: Nikki Rack Attacks Brie 16 times and leaves her in a puddle of blood and vomit in the middle of the ring. Brie's zombie corpse is Nikki's assistant as part of a Halloween angle.

Damien Sandow Presents: United States Championship Match: Sheamus vs. The Miz

Why Are They Fighting: Who knows, but they've been doing it all month so why stop now?

What Will Happen: Damien Sandow steals the show in some fashion. I'm not even being snarky. The absolute best thing about this has been Sandow getting over by pure force of awesome and being the only interesting thing about this feud. Sheamus probably keeps the belt because he needs to be fed to Rusev.

5 out of 9 Falls Match Series That's Been Running For a Month and Concludes Here for the Intercontinental Championship: Dolph Ziggler (c) vs. Cesaro

Why Are They Fighting: Cesaro won a battle royale (it's french for "Cesaro is going to **** your **** up pal) and Ziggler keeps cheating his way to retain the title. Cesaro has sworn to bring truth, justice and light to the WWE.

What Will Happen: A really great match that Cesaro wins, maybe in two consecutive falls. Ziggler's great at losing, so why not have him lose twice? ****- have him lose three times. It ends when Ziggler is literally Giant Swung out the building.

Hell Initally In A Cell But Probably Doesn't Stay That Wall: Dean Ambrose vs. Seth Rollins

Why Are They Fighting: Seth does not like hot dogs. Dean likes hot dogs. Seth does not agree with discount merchandising. Dean thinks the WWE's shipping fees (I mean mother****er it's 7 dollars and the Vaudevillians shirt I want is 19) are unreasonable. Seth thinks cinderblocks are for smashing, Dean uses them as the foundation for a nice bookshelf.

What Will Happen: This should be super awesome. I'm trying to keep my expectations low not because I don't think they'll meet them, but because sometimes I screw myself up letting my expectations get int he way of enjoying a match. I'm also slightly worried this is more spotty than I might like. I'm also kinda conflicted because WWE has been such crap this month that I find it hard to believe that they'll deliver because I'm not sure we can have nice things. (and on a serious note, the things I like about Seth and Dean aren't necessarily well suited to a HIAC match). Still- probably pretty damn awesome.

HIAC: #1 Eventual, Someday, When We Feel Like It Contender Match: John Cena vs Randy Orton

Why Are They Fighting: Because John Cena and Randy Orton needed a match at the PPV. I kinda just wish HHH had shown up and said "yeah, they need a match, they're the faces of the company, it's what's best for business, suck it".

What Will Happen: I think Orton wins and if he doesn't it's because Cena goes full heel in a double turn. Even though I'm super unimpressed with things right now, I just feel like they're too aware that Cena's stale, that the crowd is turning (and is also popping for Randy) and if Brock isn't on the next few PPVS as rumored they need something more interesting than Super Cena. Regardless it's going to be pretty fun to root for Orton. I also expect this to be a pretty solid match.
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10-24-2014 , 01:44 PM
In for Ambrose to do some crazy stuff in and on the cell
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10-24-2014 , 01:53 PM
Dids write ups are the bestest.
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10-24-2014 , 03:03 PM
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Dids write ups are the bestest.
+1. Could use more gifs though.

Looking forward to Cesaro/Ziggler. I like 2 out of 3 falls matches and their SM match was great.
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10-24-2014 , 03:25 PM
Worth noting that Heyman is gonna be on the preshow in addition to a first-ever Mizdow TV segment
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10-24-2014 , 04:20 PM
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I also expect this to be a pretty solid match.
Have you seen their previous ten matches?

Anyways, thanks for the write-up because outside of the cell matches I didn't know any others. Looking forward to Ziggy/Cesaro, I guess. Ambrose/Rollins should be good but I expect it to be disappointing to the majority of wrestling fans so I shall not get my hopes too high.
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10-24-2014 , 04:35 PM
5 matches I'm not interested in, 1 that I would be interested in but they kept facing each other on TV in mediocre dull segments, Orton vs Cena XVII, and Rollins vs Ambrose which I will watch.

Cena makes way more money for the company than anybody else outside of Lesnar. Perhaps they feel desperate for some reason and will try for even more with a heel turn, but Cena probably isn't turning until kids stop being his stuff and convincing parents to go to live events.
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10-24-2014 , 04:49 PM
I'm going to make an extremely bold prediction and say that the Ambrose-Rollins match is a top 5, maybe top 3 match for all of 2014 and the Cesaro-Ziggler match is top 25. I would go even bolder on the Cesaro-Ziggler match but I don't they will give them that much time to wrestle - if they do, ranking gonna get better.
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10-24-2014 , 04:57 PM
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Have you seen their previous ten matches?
PPV matches? I'm not sure I've seen one at all.

I don't really expect great or even good, but I think they both can do "solid" in their sleep.

Orton feels like he's in another gear right now, and I think there's some heel/face stuff that COULD be interesting.

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but Cena probably isn't turning until kids stop being his stuff and convincing parents to go to live events
People have made the argument that at this point Network Buys > Merch. If they think they can get the same kind of mainstream media press from a Cena turn that they got out of Taker's loss, I can see it.
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10-24-2014 , 04:57 PM
I don't think that's extremely bold considering the quality of wrestling in WWE this year. There have been like five good matches (Zayn/Cesaro, Bryan/Wyatt, 3-way WM, HHH/Bryan, Wyatts/Shield). If you're looking through all of wrestling, NJPW has like 28 of the top 30 matches of the year...or even more lopsided than that. A shame nobody here watches it.

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10-24-2014 , 04:59 PM
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I would go even bolder on the Cesaro-Ziggler match but I don't they will give them that much time to wrestle - if they do, ranking gonna get better.
2/3 falls would suggest they'll get decent time. Bellas and Show/Rusev better be pretty damn short.
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10-24-2014 , 05:03 PM
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I don't think that's extremely bold considering the quality of wrestling in WWE this year. There have been like five good matches (Zayn/Cesaro, Bryan/Wyatt, 3-way WM, HHH/Bryan, Wyatts/Shield). If you're looking through all of wrestling, NJPW has like 28 of the top 30 matches of the year...or even more lopsided than that. A shame nobody here watches it.
Sheamus/Cesaro

Both Shield/Evolution matches

Both Usos/Wyatts matches

Charlotte/Natty

Charlotte/Bayley

Seth/Dean Lumberjack

Seth/Dean on RAW

NXT Takeover 4 way.
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10-24-2014 , 05:04 PM
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What Will Happen: I think Orton wins and if he doesn't it's because Cena goes full heel in a double turn. Even though I'm super unimpressed with things right now, I just feel like they're too aware that Cena's stale, that the crowd is turning (and is also popping for Randy) and if Brock isn't on the next few PPVS as rumored they need something more interesting than Super Cena. Regardless it's going to be pretty fun to root for Orton. I also expect this to be a pretty solid match.
Just stumbled across this on a wrestling forum from a Cena interview:
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As noted earlier this week, John Cenais featured in the latest Variety magazine. Cena talked about why he won¡¯t be turning heel. He said:
¡°When you do that [turn heel], everything you said, everything you stand for gets erased. It¡¯s a poor business decision.¡±
Sunday¡¯s pay-per-view will mark John Cena¡¯s 100th pay-per-view main event. That¡¯s more than anyone else followed by Triple H, The Undertaker, Randy Orton, and Sting, according to The Internet Wrestling database.
WWE has posted a preview clip of this coming Sunday¡¯s Total Divas¡°mid season finale.¡± In the clip Brie Bella, her mother, and brother confront John Cena. We have Total Divas spoilersfor the upcoming season at this link.
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10-24-2014 , 05:09 PM
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Sheamus/Cesaro

Both Shield/Evolution matches

Both Usos/Wyatts matches

Charlotte/Natty

Charlotte/Bayley

Seth/Dean Lumberjack

Seth/Dean on RAW

NXT Takeover 4 way.
All four stars or less aside from maybe Charlotte/Mattie. Not what I'd call great matches. Certainly not memorable.

The second Evo/Shield match was hit garbage.
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10-24-2014 , 05:10 PM
EXACTLY WHAT A HEEL WOULD SAY.

There's ways to turn Cena heel and still have him be the Make a Wish guy, just now that guy works for the Authority because he's the Face of the Company and Randy isn't.
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10-24-2014 , 05:14 PM
Totally fine with the idea that a 4 star match (I think star ratings, and basically the concept of every trying to boil a match down to a rating, are/is dumb. In part because as our disagreement underlines, it's super subjective. I basically think rating anything is kinda bad. Albums, wrestling, girls, whatever- just use words and tell me how you feel) as "great".
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10-24-2014 , 05:27 PM
I see your point and agree. I just wouldn't consider those memorable and I don't think it's a bold prediction (as the other poster said) that the HIAC match will be more memorable than the matches you mentioned.
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10-25-2014 , 02:48 PM
I don't buy Cena ever turning heel unless he reaches a Hulk Hogan point where he badly needs a shake-up to remain good for business at all. That said, I think it's a fair point that WWE could do something crazy to try to go all-in for network buys...but if they were going to turn him heel, I'd be completely floored if they did it at a minor PPV.

Far, far more likely is Cena vs. Orton just being the same whatever match that it always is.
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10-26-2014 , 09:10 AM
They won't turn Cena heel unless Roman Reigns takes off huge in 2015 and Cena's popularity significantly declines.

But honestly how much longer can they milk the Cena Cash Cow?? Maybe another 4 years tops. If they did turn him heel it would freshen the character but it would also kill his character. Once Cena goes heel there's no turning back.

I think a better (and much more realistic) heel turn at HIAC is with Dean Ambrose. Ambrose is a natural heel playing out of character as the face. What if Ambrose loses the match to Rollins due to Authority interference and snaps. He beats up Lawler and Michael Cole at ringside. Then goes into the audience and gives "Dirty Deeds" to an innocent victim (really a WWE farmhand). Then he goes backstage and breaks into the Authority office with an Axe. He beats up HHH and offscreen "rapes" Stephanie in front of HHH.

Yeah the Authority is still heel but now Ambrose is much more despicable. He's truly evolved into the lunatic fringe.
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10-26-2014 , 09:36 AM
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I think a better (and much more realistic) heel turn at HIAC is with Dean Ambrose. Ambrose is a natural heel playing out of character as the face. What if Ambrose loses the match to Rollins due to Authority interference and snaps. He beats up Lawler and Michael Cole at ringside. Then goes into the audience and gives "Dirty Deeds" to an innocent victim (really a WWE farmhand). Then he goes backstage and breaks into the Authority office with an Axe. He beats up HHH and offscreen "rapes" Stephanie in front of HHH.
What the **** did I just read?
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10-26-2014 , 09:40 AM
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I think a better (and much more realistic) heel turn at HIAC is with Dean Ambrose. Ambrose is a natural heel playing out of character as the face. What if Ambrose loses the match to Rollins due to Authority interference and snaps. He beats up Lawler and Michael Cole at ringside. Then goes into the audience and gives "Dirty Deeds" to an innocent victim (really a WWE farmhand). Then he goes backstage and breaks into the Authority office with an Axe. He beats up HHH and offscreen "rapes" Stephanie in front of HHH.

Yeah the Authority is still heel but now Ambrose is much more despicable. He's truly evolved into the lunatic fringe.
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10-26-2014 , 09:47 AM
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What the **** did I just read?

How else can they turn Ambrose heel? The crowd hates the authority and joining them would ruin his character. The only way to get him over as the "lunatic fringe" is to make him irredeemable.

Pillman "raped" Marlena IIRC, and I've heard WWE sees Ambrose as the next Pillman.

But fine if that angle is too extreme (and please they had HHH rape a dead girl in a casket) then just make Ambrose beat up Steph. Like throw her through a glass window (offscreen obv) and pretend he caused her to lose a baby she didn't know she was pregnant with
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10-26-2014 , 09:56 AM
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What the **** did I just read?
Yeah that's a little much.
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10-26-2014 , 10:04 AM
One might suggest that he should stick to grinding poker all day.
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10-26-2014 , 10:22 AM
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How else can they turn Ambrose heel? The crowd hates the authority and joining them would ruin his character. The only way to get him over as the "lunatic fringe" is to make him irredeemable.

Pillman "raped" Marlena IIRC, and I've heard WWE sees Ambrose as the next Pillman.

But fine if that angle is too extreme (and please they had HHH rape a dead girl in a casket) then just make Ambrose beat up Steph. Like throw her through a glass window (offscreen obv) and pretend he caused her to lose a baby she didn't know she was pregnant with
1) I don't see why the hell we need Ambrose as a heel right now.

2) Are you seriously using the HHH/Kane/Katie Vick rape and necrophilia storyline as evidence for your idea?
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