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06-09-2016 , 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by OneOut
Wipe the cage with him?

I thought he was fine the lead up to Mania with what they gave him. I don't understand how anything he does here makes him better in the WWE.
Ok what does wipe the cage mean?
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06-09-2016 , 02:00 AM
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Originally Posted by AJD804
I just personally don't understand the logic behind thinking that him losing at UFC damages his WWE character.
Reactions in wrestling are based mostly on affect, not logic. If people have a vivid image of Brock on the ground or all beat up after losing, or if their peers start making comments like "Send that has been Lesnar back to fake wrestling!" it will negatively impact Lesnar in WWE.
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06-09-2016 , 04:09 AM
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Originally Posted by moorobot
Reactions in wrestling are based mostly on affect, not logic. If people have a vivid image of Brock on the ground or all beat up after losing, or if their peers start making comments like "Send that has been Lesnar back to fake wrestling!" it will negatively impact Lesnar in WWE.
This.

Kind of hard to see someone as an unstoppable beast after they've just been beaten, especially if it's a vicious KO like Hunt can deliver.

Hunt is Samoan though so maybe he'll turn out to be the Rock's cousin if he wins.
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06-09-2016 , 04:42 AM
I just don't see it. Wrestling's fake. If Brock loses, I still know he's the toughest guy in the promotion and still legitimate. It's just like taking a jobber and booking him as a winner shortly after. The jobbing and looking weak prior is forgiven because of the booking. Win or lose, I don't think anybody but smarks will care if he wins or loses.
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06-09-2016 , 07:20 AM
MMA isn't fake though, so Brock taking an MMA loss will be perceived as being on him, and a reflection of his real ability and toughness, not on the booking as is the case with a wrestling jobber.
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06-09-2016 , 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by moorobot
Reactions in wrestling are based mostly on affect, not logic. If people have a vivid image of Brock on the ground or all beat up after losing, or if their peers start making comments like "Send that has been Lesnar back to fake wrestling!" it will negatively impact Lesnar in WWE.
THIS!

They're able to successfully book him as a monster because of his accomplishments in MMA. He was not booked this strongly all the way through his initial run (although he started out this way). He eventually sold as much as any big man though.

Then he came back from being UFC champion, where they could even explain his loss away to illness, and nobody could stop him.

WWE has had MMA guys before. Shamrock was booked as a maniac, but nowhere near the level of Lesnar. Brock is their legitimate beast. A beating would call that into question. Well, he can only beat 50 year old men in fake fighting at this point in his life.

A win or competitive fight only reinforces where he's already at. They can't book him even stronger.
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06-09-2016 , 03:04 PM
His last two losses in UFC didn't seem to effect him too much. And they were pretty bad losses.
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06-09-2016 , 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by moorobot
Reactions in wrestling are based mostly on affect, not logic. If people have a vivid image of Brock on the ground or all beat up after losing, or if their peers start making comments like "Send that has been Lesnar back to fake wrestling!" it will negatively impact Lesnar in WWE.
With the exception of a few douches, as long as Brock puts the work in and takes it serious, no MMA fighter is going to say anything remotely close to this if he were to lose after the fact. At worst his peers will say he is too old or he took too much time off.

I really think some of you are over thinking this
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06-09-2016 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by OneOut
THIS!

They're able to successfully book him as a monster because of his accomplishments in MMA. He was not booked this strongly all the way through his initial run (although he started out this way). He eventually sold as much as any big man though.

Then he came back from being UFC champion, where they could even explain his loss away to illness, and nobody could stop him.

WWE has had MMA guys before. Shamrock was booked as a maniac, but nowhere near the level of Lesnar. Brock is their legitimate beast. A beating would call that into question. Well, he can only beat 50 year old men in fake fighting at this point in his life.

A win or competitive fight only reinforces where he's already at. They can't book him even stronger.
So they can explain away his past losses because of his illness, but you don't think they could do the same after a huge layoff and being 38 years old? Ok
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06-09-2016 , 03:34 PM
It was a completely different situation though. He had been gone for 7 years and the roster was terrible at the time. No one even came close to Brock(not that any do now).

I don't think it will effect him too much though, it will just make things a little harder if they continue to book him as unstoppable. If he loses via KO then he might not be able to wrestle at SS anyway due to not being cleared.

With that said, I'm rooting for Hunt 100%. NZer living in Australia and Brock getting a pass from USADA is bull**** so I hope he gets KO'd. They said he's been tested but it's so close to the fight and he's so rich/connected that it won't matter.
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06-09-2016 , 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by AJD804
So they can explain away his past losses because of his illness, but you don't think they could do the same after a huge layoff and being 38 years old? Ok
For a look into Vince's mentality with these things, read into the Brawl for All.

And if Roman Reigns came to Vince and said he wanted to fight an MMA match, and Dana White wanted him and was gonna give him a boatload of money and anything Vince wanted. Do you think he'd let him do it? And if not, why?
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06-09-2016 , 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by OneOut
For a look into Vince's mentality with these things, read into the Brawl for All.

And if Roman Reigns came to Vince and said he wanted to fight an MMA match, and Dana White wanted him and was gonna give him a boatload of money and anything Vince wanted. Do you think he'd let him do it? And if not, why?
I literally have no idea what you are talking about here. The Brawl for All was a Toughman take off almost 20 years ago, and I think we all agree Vince has changed a lot since then. As for your Reigns hypothetical, he was a football player, why would UFC want him to fight?

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06-10-2016 , 04:07 AM
Punk was nothing, why would the UFC want him to fight?
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06-10-2016 , 06:01 AM
A good example of a UFC loss dropping a person's WWE stock is Ronda Rousey. She lost her air of invincibility with that Holm fight. When Brock lost to Mir, he lost his air of invincibility as well, but he soundly avenged that loss, and regained his standing.

Rousey's attitude after the fight, and subsequent stories afterwards (see Paige VanZant confrontation) haven't helped. I am personally about 100x less excited to see her in any capacity in WWE now -- and actually concerned that she couldn't mentally handle the amount of boos that she might receive from WWE fans. If she does appear on WWE, it needs to be after she defeats either Holm or Tate.
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06-10-2016 , 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by AJD804
I literally have no idea what you are talking about here. The Brawl for All was a Toughman take off almost 20 years ago, and I think we all agree Vince has changed a lot since then. As for your Reigns hypothetical, he was a football player, why would UFC want him to fight?
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06-10-2016 , 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by OneOut
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So you think the Vince of 20 years ago, is the same guy as he is today? Do you even watch WWE?
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06-11-2016 , 06:47 AM
Saskatchewan represent! Just watching some of Brock's interviews regarding his UFC return and he seems like a really cool guy. Hope he does well.
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06-11-2016 , 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by kdub72
A good example of a UFC loss dropping a person's WWE stock is Ronda Rousey. She lost her air of invincibility with that Holm fight. When Brock lost to Mir, he lost his air of invincibility as well, but he soundly avenged that loss, and regained his standing.

Rousey's attitude after the fight, and subsequent stories afterwards (see Paige VanZant confrontation) haven't helped. I am personally about 100x less excited to see her in any capacity in WWE now -- and actually concerned that she couldn't mentally handle the amount of boos that she might receive from WWE fans. If she does appear on WWE, it needs to be after she defeats either Holm or Tate.
Dirtsheets have said since the signing that there are talks of a Paige Summerslam appearance and a Rousy participation in WM33, something UFC was adamant against before the Holm loss.
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06-12-2016 , 01:44 PM
I agree with just about all of this:
http://www.mmafighting.com/2016/6/11..****ing-industry

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More than 15 years go, WWE did a actual legitimate television tournament called "Brawl for All." It combined boxing with oversized gloves and takedowns, but allowed no kicking, ground work or submissions. The winner, a tall journeyman wrestler who used the name Bart Gunn, was then put on the 1999 WrestleMania show against boxer Butterbean, in a real fight. WWE officials believed that he actually had a chance, since it was well known Butterbean was very popular at the time, not hardly a skilled boxer. But Gunn was knocked out in devastating fashion in less than one minute. WWE then released Gunn, feeling there was nothing they could do with him. Now, Gunn was hardly the superstar Lesnar is, but the mentality in 1999 was that his suffering the bad knockout killed his marketability. He never returned to the company.

But the perception of pro wrestling is very different today. Fans used to debate about what would happen "if it was real," between the top guys. Today, with MMA, the pro wrestlers are respected as purely performers and there is no illusion that it's either real or that the competitors are world-class fighters.
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06-17-2016 , 01:00 PM
There's a little more to the Bart Gunn story, the results were intended to be predetermined and Gunn didn't do business with JBL and was rewarded with a wrestlemania date with Butterbean knowing straight out, he was getting KTFO.
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06-30-2016 , 06:30 PM
Brock did a conference call taking questions about this fight. First question is "Do you think how you look in this fight will have any bearing on your drawing power in pro wrestling?"

His answer: "I really don't give a ****."
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06-30-2016 , 06:35 PM
What a dumb ****ing question. That's like asking an baseball player if he's concerned about his trade value.
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06-30-2016 , 07:37 PM
Stephanie McMahon the other day said WWE doesn't necessarily support Brock fighting at UFC. His reply to this was that he doesn't care what she says.
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06-30-2016 , 08:50 PM
Bork!
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07-07-2016 , 09:29 AM
Lol bork now headlining
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