As for the WM draft, it should hopefully end within a handful of days, right? Unfortunately it has slowed to a crawl the last couple of days, but it should still finish reasonably quickly. I'm not planning on firing this up until the greatest matches thing is over, which should take until at least Wednesday or Thursday. WM Draft having fewer than 2.5 rounds left, that shouldn't be a problem.

I could maybe streamline the time stuff where entrances are concerned, but aftermath stuff and promos have to be part of the time I think.

This sounds like a valid point. Just count the actual time they wrestled against the persons total. Including everything else just leaves for alot of complications and a higher difficulty of finding out the actual length of time used.

Given that the number of matches on people's cards will likely differ, I guess I'd probably just lean toward a flat time of 2:30 of entrances/wrap-up per match, then go bell-to-bell. Promos and extra aftermath optional.

You totally ruin my late round sleeper list with this proclamation, but still accepted.

In so far:
1. LKJ
2. Yankeys
3. Dylan
4. Judy
5. hempy
6. moorobot
7. True North/DWetzel
8. littlekeed
9. Lord CC
10. Disko

Two spots remain.

For what it's worth, Wrestlemania 17 had 2:24:49 of match time (wikipedia is the source) and that was a four hour show. I think limiting ourselves to two hours of match time might be the best way to go about it if we are shooting for three hour shows.

Considering how many matches there are to grab in this thing, it might not be a bad idea to just keep sign ups open until everything else finishes. We could easily get away with 20-30 drafters (although then you get issues with finishing).

Hmm, okay.

Yeah I could just simplify this and go with bell-to-bell and not count anything else. It would be easiest. Promos/aftermath merely serve to enhance the value of some matches.

As a point of comparison, the next show Backlash 2001, had 1:45:47 of match time.

I don't think I'd want to go as high as 20-30, but there is a really deep pool. I'll give consideration to going beyond 12.

What is the goal. Work rate? Buys?

Just to clarify, there are no restrictions whatsoever on what matches you can draft?

Whatever you want. I mean, these drafts only get casually judged anyway, so...you can do whatever kind of card you want to do, and then you can argue that the strength of your card is magically the most important factor and the one all cards should be judged by. That's what I'll do anyway. There's a lot of ways to make a great card.

If it has been put forth on a pro wrestling card and had an opening bell, then it is eligible. If a person wants to draft a Playboy pillow fight or a Brawl for All match or a sumo match that is part of a pro wrestling card, then have at it.

You forgot me on the entrants list

Re matches, id limit it to matches people can theoretically link to. Like its a huge bonus if they literally link to a video and it would help their case, but if they dont have the match i dont think its so bad provided that theoretically i could go out and buy WrestleWar 10 to see match number 5 with X vs Y. It means that people cant draft house shows and dark matches, but any PPV, DVD/video or televised match is fine.

Re thinking about the time some more id phrase it something like, min 2hrs, max 2hrs 30 min bell to bell time, entrances and hype video promos arent included but extended events around the match such as beatdowns, long celebratory poses and wrestlers cutting promos counts towards your total.

So if i drafted Jericho vs Regal from WM it is a video 12 minutes long, starts with Y2J walking to the ring, has a feud hype video during the entrance to tell the audience why its happening, Regal's entrance and then the 8 minute match then i would count that as being 8 minutes long.

But another example is Undertaker vs Mankind where the bell didnt ring until something like 10 minutes after the entrances started when he threw him off the top of the cage then through the roof to finally start the match then that extended fighting outside the match would be counted. So id have the match of like 5 minutes, but the 10 minutes fighting around the cage would be added on top starting from the point they started brawling on the top, so the actual entrances themselves arent counted but you are counting from the first contact until the point the final bell is run and Taker beat Mankind.

A third example is presumably its fine to draft actual promos (or if not pretend this happened at the start of a match you did draft), then Jericho's famous man of 1004 moves promo that went through an entire ad break and lasted like 15 minutes would count towards your time, but a short one where Cena grabs a mic, talks about how Kane is a dick and he wants him to come out and fight then that wouldnt count.

I dunno if thats better or worse tbh, but thats the approach id take. Its very subjective however on when something starts getting counted or not, but after thinking it over i do think its impossible to run this and have two people draft back to back where one picks a match that lasts 10 minutes total and they use up 10 min of time and the second guy drafts a 10 min match that has a 10 minute beatdown brawl after it and 10 minutes of promos before where they talk **** about each other and then try and count both those picks as being identical in length.

This seems like a very cool idea but too much work for me; the pool is way too big for me to rewatch everything/watch stuff I haven't seen, and then have to work around a time limit while figuring in entrance time, promos etc, lol.

Will be railing it hard though!

My plan is to just draft off stuff i know so in theory it should take less time than the WM draft. I fully expect to have some of the most ordinary well known matches but i like the concept and am entering as much to rail on what others are posting as to actually post stuff myself.

Ah **** it, phill twisted my arm. In!

We need Dnky back for this draft. Indy wrestling super card ftw!

We're up to 12. Still deciding on the cap, but that was the initial one so we're currently full. Still taking sign-ups for overflow.

My bad, you were tougher to count amongst the much shorter "in" posts.

I don't think I'm going to limit it like this. If people want to draft a match that nobody else has seen and that they can't link to, they're not going to get much credit with the rest of us for it...but I say they can go ahead and do that if that's the card they wanna build.

The more I think about this, the more I think that promos that are in a different segment have to be drafted separately. You're pretty much going to be putting a lot of these promos on lockdown by drafting the actual match, but in some cases you wouldn't be (like the Man of 1004 Holds one could work as part of a card with any Jericho-Malenko match).

Since there aren't a limited number of picks, people could basically just save a certain amount of time toward the end of their picks to pick up things like hype videos, pre-match promos, post-match promos, etc.

While this could get mildly fuzzy at times, I think the standard is that if it's all part of one segment inside the main arena, it's all part of the match...so a post-match beatdown or whatever is part of it, whereas something that happens afterward backstage is not. It should mostly be pretty easy to determine when a segment begins and ends in a show. The match segment begins when the camera view goes to the arena and the match begins to get introduced. It ends when the camera goes backstage or to a video package or whatever.

This would be what I would vote for. I think this makes it easier.

+1

Is Chargers in? If not I'd like him to be my co-pilot. By that I mean I pick the matches and he finds videos of my obscure choices lol

Question popped up in my mind while putting together my big board:

Are NWA championships going to be considered the same as WCW championships? There is a slight difference considering the NWA title continued to exist alongside the WCW title after the split.

We'll count those as separate since the official WCW title history starts in '91.

Again though, only two world title matches max on a card.