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11-21-2012 , 07:15 PM

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Especially on commentary

That's the funniest thing I've seen in a long while.

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11-23-2012 , 05:36 PM

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Huge Hart fan and was a total mark around that time and didn't really understand the business at the time. The Screwjob was basically the last time I ever watched wrestling religiously. I had no desire to watch WCW (didn't like Hart on their show) and loved the attitude era but was never "attached" again if that makes sense.

Watching the interviews with Bret and HBK now (the 3 hour long one with JR is a must-watch) I feel like it's about what most people said:

Bret took himself way too seriously and HBK didn't really seem to take much seriously at all.

Bret forgot that the business was bigger than his reputation and sort of put Vince in a spot where he didn't have a ton of other options (all the other spots to drop the belt were bad and lol @ just giving it up on Raw).

HBK is responsible for things ever getting that bad though because the entire refusal to put Bret over lead to everything. If he'd have been more mature about the situation, it never gets that far.

This about sums it up. Everyone ****ed this situation up in one way or another. In all honesty though, I still think Vince has to take most of the blame for not taking control of this situation well before it got out of hand. If Vince asks someone to do a job they better do it or else they can find employment elsewhere. By mid 1997 it was already more than obvious that Austin was the future of the company. Neither Shawn nor Bret should've felt like they were bigger than the company and in all honesty if they were smart, would've worked hard to get Vince's favor in order to be the guy that puts Austin over.

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11-25-2012 , 04:20 AM

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I always put Vince at fault, but whoever said letting tony sheavoni announce the wwf champ will join wcw on nitro made perfect sense

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11-25-2012 , 11:21 AM

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I always put Vince at fault, but whoever said letting tony sheavoni announce the wwf champ will join wcw on nitro made perfect sense

This is why you don't allow Bret to negotiate with WCW in the first place.

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11-27-2012 , 03:43 PM

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Bret screwed Bret.

Seriously though, it was 80+% Bret's fault. Refusing to job was just Bret believing his character a bit too much.

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11-27-2012 , 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by gusmahler

Bret screwed Bret.

Seriously though, it was 80+% Bret's fault. Refusing to job was just Bret believing his character a bit too much.

This, I would probably even go higher than 80%.

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11-27-2012 , 03:59 PM

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This, I would probably even go higher than 80%.

Would you, Dylan? Would you?

Last edited by LKJ; 11-27-2012 at 04:02 PM. Reason: I promise that the bolding wasn't WW-inspired.

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11-27-2012 , 07:04 PM

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In the old days, when you left a territory, you lost a "Loser Leaves Town" match. You didn't get to beat your biggest rival, then hand the title over to the commissioner the next day

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11-28-2012 , 03:29 PM

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Does Vince deserve blame for telling his world champion to negotiate with WCW?

Honestly, the whole situation makes a lot more sense from a business perspective if it was all a work.

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11-28-2012 , 04:28 PM

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One thing I've never understood if it was a shoot is why Bret wasn't charged/sued for destruction of property for the tables/video monitors/etc.

Also vast majority of blame from me goes to Bret, and only blame for Vince is to have him negotiate with WCW without an agreed-upon plan for Bret dropping the title. Also some blame to Shawn for being a cockbag and saying he wouldn't job for Bret, when it wasn't an issue anyway. But huge majority to Bret for being too much of a mark for himself. Drop the title in a match of the year candidate, I'm sure it could have been a dirty finish since Shawn was the heel, and no one cares.

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11-28-2012 , 04:30 PM

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Does Vince deserve blame for telling his world champion to negotiate with WCW?

Honestly, the whole situation makes a lot more sense from a business perspective if it was all a work.

He rightfully expected that the champ would do what is expected of him and drop the title before losing, instead of leaving as an undefeated champ. It's not like Bret refused to lose in his home town--he refused to lose anywhere in the 2nd largest country in the entire world.

The thing about the whole situation is that, other than this, Bret is a pretty likable guy. Reverse the roles and have HBK (or Hogan, for example) being the one refusing to job, there would be no doubt in anyone's mind that HBK was in the wrong. But since Bret is a good guy, people have doubts.

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