You know, candidly I'm still working on this lesson. I just post here a lot less (and never on B&M, except old threads). But I still don't really have it in me to just post and wait 3 days before checking back or whatever.

Good Grief
Why why why
typical and disturbing

Needs better reads on the tournament staff IMO.

Seriously, how do you brag about your great cheating-inducing play with the blowing on the card as validation, and then ignore that everyone tells you it was appropriately a warning? Are you claiming to have planned for the guy to reach in and start turning over cards, or are you just engaging in results oriented thinking?

Wow, it's almost as though you know what you wanted to be the ruling and just started this thread to tell us about your genius psychological warfare that would have worked if not for those meddling TDs.

And what about the chance that something might happen like actually happened, you blow a gasket, and the tilt rebounds on you? Did you plan for that, too? Because it sure seems like you're high strung to say the least. (So am I.)

"These donkeys! They're too stupid to fold to my bluf... err, I mean, these donkey TDs are too stupid to fall for my angle!"

Shorter: the correct ruling is a warning to the player trying to cheat by turning over cards, and possibly a warning to the player taunting.

Stopped reading here. Please come play in Vegas.

Really, that didn't work out so well did it.

You say his action changes everything, yet you never said what the other card was. It either showed you shoved with a weak A. or a strong one, so what. Sometimes you make plays that get exposed by a call, granted in this spot it should not have been, but it's not the end of the world. You know what info is out there about you and you can use it to your advantage as much as the other players.

As to the penalty, a warning seems in order. If he does it again or anything simliar then yes a one round penalty. He has been warned, but in my experience getting that upset about anything at the poker table is never good for your play.

Just another troll stopping by.

Ok this is amazing. Its really funny that i ran across this but im the guy that did this. Like most of the ppl here told you, this wasn't that big of a deal. Yes, we were in the money of a tournament but it was a shovefest at the point and which ace you shoved with was not a big deal. Also want to point out the fact that it only took 1 blow and not 3 to flip the other card so the dealer really couldn't do anything about it. If you don't want the card shown, muck the hand and be happy that the steal with A,8 off worked. You exposed an ace, and you weren't experienced enough to protect your other card which you're always supposed to do and got punished for it. As far as the penalty goes, there is no way in any poker room any1 will ever give you a round penalty because "the wind" exposed your cards. Like I said at the table, i could have sneezed and had the same outcome, so id have to take a round penalty for sneezing?? lol. The other card was never touched by me so there can never be a penalty here. Take a free lesson, it wasn't an expensive 1... I had a guy muck his cards into my hand on the river once in a relatively big pot in omaha and there was nothing i could have done when my hand was killed. That was enough for me to learn to protect my cards for the rest of my playing career. You're right, most of the borgata floors are clueless, but tab knows his stuff and he would never give a penalty for something so silly.

OP plz respond

Op learns a inexpesive lesson on tilt. You need a lesson in respect and playing by the rules.

Exactly. ilyushka3d, although you may think you were just being "silly", your cavalier attitude toward your own cheating suggests that you've missed the point of most of the replies and that you don't have much respect for the game. In particular, please don't insult our intelligence with this sort of legalistic claptrap:


If you don't consciously change your approach, at some point your little angle shots WILL run up against a TD or floor who, appropriately, won't treat whatever else you come up with as a first offense. You will get a penalty you consider too harsh, and you will likely post an account, possibly slanted, on 2+2 about how the mean old TD threw the book at you.

For a more enjoyable poker career, I suggest reassessing your attitude now.

OP asks a question. Instead of getting answers such as "Yes, it should be a penalty" or "No, it shouldn't have been a penalty", OP gets coached by people he is probably much better than at mtts. Everyone was apparently at the table and saw how OP handled the situation and assumed he went on monkeytilt. Villian comes into thread, admits to being a cheating scumbag, makes up a ton of excuses for his actions. OP is still tilted to this day.

/thread.

Maybe tilt control has something to do with being successful at MTTs, never mind being successful at life.

Although I agreed the warning was sufficient you were a DB for doing that.

Let me also state that I have no ill will towards you Ilya I hope you will confirm that I was not tilted or angry about the matter. I simply believed you should have been punished for your actions and I was actually very respectful of the ruling and quickly moved on. It's still pretty lol that you think your actions don't change anything and that you show zero remorse for your actions.

evey1 described ITT seems to be a dbag or unpleasant... Im starting to think tourny players are worse then limit players with regards to angles/whining/egos/attitudes etc

No OP would do that. Ilya would learn from the experience just like he did when his hand was fouled.

In fact I've got some faith in Ilya that he has already learned from this experience and may not do this type of thing again. I hope so...

OP asked two questions.

OP got answers to his question about the penalty. Almost everyone who has weighed in thinks it should just be a warning for a first time offense. I may be the only person who thinks a one hand penalty would have been in order.

Also OP. Who do you think is coaching Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, or Peyton Manning? Do you think they are "better" quarterbacks? Doubtful. But their coaches are probably helping them with things the coaches are good at or have more perspective on. Things like emotional processing. Letting go of bad things that happened. Serenity. Attitude. Focus.
I was not at the table. But I wish I was.

OP, you have no control over villain's actions. Then or in the future. No need bending yourself out of shape over something you can't control. If you were stuck in traffic would you get mad at the traffic? At the car in front of you?

And "/thread" is still not working...

Say it like you mean it...

Sooooooo what was the other card?!?!

yes op you should be pissed,blowing cards over is not on.

Villian feels compelled to register for first time on 2+2 and post in this thread to confront OP's allegation that he is some sort of asthmatic shut-in who needs three tries to blow over a playing card. Villian asserts he is, in fact a robust individual with lungs like Aquaman who easily flipped said card on first try. Further reading suggests both OP and villian may be full of hot air.

Do you not see the title of your post?

"Should I be pissed...?"

My answer is still "No."

The answer to, "Is that the correct ruling?" is "Probably, but I don't care." The reason I don't care is because I'm never exposing one card and then keeping my cards both out of my control and not in the muck in the middle of the table. Protect your hand.

IMHO, you're looking for answers to the wrong questions. "Hey, what should I do if my legs get broken because I didn't look both ways before I crossed the street?" Well, you shouldn't put yourself in that position. It's very easy to avoid. "THAT'S NOT WHAT I ASKED!" Okay.

So, you ask a question, and get all pissy when you do not like the answer? Jeebus, I hope this isn't the level of maturity you bring to a poker table . . .

Probably a bad move by you, since it was 100% spot on.

As you stated, it's a casino MTT with a fast structure in the latter stages. The chances are infinitesimal that you and Villain will even be involved in a significant hand with one another where the information could possibly help from this point on.

Terrible analogy that literally makes no sense.

The action is either a big deal or it isn't, it doesn't become converted to one simply because you're tickled pink over the prize pool.

I doubt anyone is putting all that much thought into one specific hand turned over, and it likely won't do anything to your image.

You aren't coming off as one. You are one, period. You created a thread and then ranted at and insulted everyone who responded, because you clearly had already made up your mind that you were angry about what happened and wanted others to be angry with you.

People are trying to help you with your question, despite it not being thread-worthy in any sense. And you're the only person here who thinks that exposing one card during a MTT is going to cause you some massive amount of harm.

No need to muddy the issue.... it's thread-worthy and the guy blowing the card was cheating. The consequences were mild and as many have explained, the actual decision of a warning was appropriate.

Problem is, OP wasn't really posting for information. He was posting to get us to tell him how persecuted he is, and he's cranky that it's not having the desired effect.