1/2 NL live casino

the hand itself isn't too interesting but basically:

Hero (425) limps behind many in co w 97o..

Pot (14) Flop J85 rainbow, someone in EP bets 7 and 5 callers (i'm one of them).

Turn (49) blank 2, check, original better bets 7 again, CALL CALL, i call, SB (+300) ch/raises to 30 total... everyone folds to me in position and i call.

Riv (81) TEN! SB (285 left) bets 75, i raise to 225 and the 60ish white male amateur looking guy says "call-allin" (like as one word) and starts moving his chips forward ...

I then snap "call" and he says "you got the straight" and i say "yeah" and turn my hand over. (he has set of JJ) Dealer then says "he's not allin, it's just a call" Floor came over, had the hand explained to him and said "it's just a call"

it's was clear to me he was allin, especially with the motioning of the chips. and he said it in one word, no pause/breath. it was like an amateur mistake by saying "call" first, it was like "i call allin".

Do you think this is a **** ruling???

end result is i lost 60 bucks on the ruling.

Probably more for Brick and Mortar. Sounds like an angle shoot.
Lesson learned next time there is any questionable action clarify it first before you act and especially before you reveal your hand.

It would've been cooler though if you would've re angle shot him and said "I have a set of fives." after he told you he had Jacks. Then see what he would've done.

As the ruling itself, not really sure. But technically he said call first.

He said call first.

Worst thing you can do is to argue over few dollars and drive away casual players.

If he said call, it's a call, but I'd still try to argue my way into those extra 30bb. But yes, you should have clarified with the dealer if it sounded weird.

if he said call 1st its binding but if you tried to clarify before acting it might have gotten reversed to all in if he still wanted to and you didnt disagree. You should have made him clarify before you acted and not given away information

Kind of a crappy ruling, certainly a possible angle shoot, but really not that bad because you had the opportunity to have the dealer clarify the action before doing anything. A simple question, "he said all in, right dealer?" would do the trick and remove any question about the action. The very suggestion to the dealer that's what you heard would prompt the dealer to clarify with the player before you do anything.

It's not a race to showdown, there was no rush, and the OP does suggest some possibly honest ambiguity. Part of "protect your hand" is to also protect your action and this seems to fall under that category.

Could be an angle or just an innocent mistake by a new player... ruling is accurate regardless though, lesson learned. Also not necessarily the worst outcome ever because you do freeroll saving yourself money when he boats otr.. though this is somewhat inconsequential/results-oriented. Oh well, just let it go.

As far as I'm concerned you cost yourself the money in two ways:

1) By not getting the ruling before you acted. It's clear that the guy's intent was to go all-in, so if you get the ruling before he sees your hand, he will tell the pit he meant to go all-in and you might get the ruling you want before you show your hand.

2) With horrible river bet sizing. Just shove yourself next time.

grunch

correct ruling

basically this is how it works: if you say call first, it doesn't matter how fast you say all in, it will not count. for better or for worse. easy ruling for the floor.

Here I don't think clarifying is going to do anything because statements are binding, and dude said call first.
Call,all-in is essentially a verbal string bet.

There's really not much that you could have done about it, except just shoving yourself like someone else said.

Floor decision is correct because that is what the rules say unfortunately for you.

Also don't think it was an angle shoot. He played JJ on J82 passive until the river with 7 people in the hand after all, don't think he knows the meaning of the word.

A lot of the time, at least where I play, if I get a clarification of the action before I act, the other player and I will agree on what he intended to do, the dealer allows it, and the pit never gets called. That's what I would have tried to do here. If it doesn't work, and it gets ruled a call, no harm done anyway (since the rules do clearly say it's supposed to be just a call).

Heads up, the rules absolutely allow villain to go all-in here. If some goofy dealer or floor tries to tell you no, just make a side bet with him for the rest of his stack. If he wants to pull another $100 out of his wallet, so long as you both agree on it, that's fine too. (of course, as played the ruling is good)

Protect your hand: make sure action is clear before you respond. There is never a penalty for doing this.