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Originally Posted by AKQJ10
I read as far as this, then had a good laugh. I guess we're just in totally different environments (and no, not everyone focuses on big-bet games).
Enjoy the games with the sharp players. I'd rather be at the table of people screwing around who think I'm a nit to point stuff out.
Fair enough. If you're comfortable being at risk, and nobody thinks you have these obligations, then go ahead.
I do in fact enjoy playing poker with people who understand what is and is not appropriate in a poker game.
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And the fact that I'd be arguing about this multiple times a session, with no one at the table backing me up, including the people most affected by it, absolves me of my ethical obligation to keep making a point out of it.
That's probably debatable, but that sounds like a pretty secure argument to me.
Just to be clear: I never doubted that there are games where people don't care. There are also games where people don't care where the button is and whether the deck was shuffled--that doesn't really speak to the question whether shuffling the deck and moving the button are part of playing poker properly (where "poker" refers to the game we sit around forums discussing). It also doesn't speak to the question whether someone ought to speak up in a game where (i) he's paying rake to be there and (ii) he has limited trust (as one usually does) in the opponents, dealer, etc.
Keeping hole cards concealed (obvious exceptions aside) is a basic part of poker. Not speaking up when a card flashes is, to a first approximation, like not speaking up if the deck doesn't get shuffled.
All my best,
--Nate