1000 hands/hr, $100+/hr at 1/2, playing in underwear, playing whenever you want, having tv, music, internet and your fingertips while taking peoples money. more fun because crushing regs and thinking players is so awesome. winning 2k in a couple hours then quitting and going out with your friends. online was so much better

pros about live: everybody sucks so bad, hot biches walking around the casino occasionally, nice to interact with others, chance at bbj, comps, getting the cash immediately has a better sense of winning.

cons about live: variance sucks, have to drive, have to wear clothes, cant really play a profitable short session unless you run like god, rake is killer, ugly biches walking around, hoping to hit bbj, losing the cash immediately and seein bills leave your pocket hurts more

its actually amazing to read this thread and notice how many profitable live players suck at online poker are actually on a forum 3/4 dedicated to online play

I thought i was the only one that sucked at online poker for some reason

Lol, there's not real guarantee ANYONE is profitable.

Also, remeber this subforum is devoted to live play

Of course live poker is more enjoyable.
I enjoy sitting in a chair, doing very little, listening to clowns, and making ~35 decisions an hour.
As opposed to making two times that many decisions every minute.

More profitable? Come on guys.

You need $6k to play 1/2 NL.

What do you think the average 1/2 NL hourly is?

The hourly of someone with a $6k bankroll online is as much as 5 times that amount.

I miss several things about online. Playing multiple tournaments simultaneously, the hands per hour, the availability and variety. Coming home from work and playing PLO or Stud/8 or Badugi micro ring games for a half an hour or so. 45, 90, and 180 SNGs.

However, as has also been said, live players are cartoonishly soft on average and only at a live table can I be the person with the most knowledge about range, ICM, 3-betting, short stack play, etc. etc.

Going from Online to Live is like Flowers for Algernon, except without anyone knowing how much smarter you've become.

Live Cash>Online Cash

Online Tourneys>Live

^This
one exception however. The full tilt 10 game was a blast if it was your thing.

This x10000.

Live tourneys blow, and blow hard. I'm only guessing it's because during a lot of stages you're forced to play pretty darn nitty and most tourney players have the personality of a rock.

Always loved live even though I tried to hack it online when it was still going. It seems like if you don't have software like a HUD and a manager like Tracker, you are at a disadvantage. I even played with these things and it really didnt seem to make a difference. I think online favors math geeks and I love seeing those math geeks come out and blow their whole load because they are too impatient. Black Friday was the best thing that could happen to live play. It's an endless ocean of fish even at stakes like 2/5. Weekend nights you can really clean up. Always loose games with few nits. Plus talking to people and feeling the chips/cards is so much better that digital money. Live play for life!

Haha, awesome.

100% agree with this. Have always enjoyed live cash games better.

However, online tourneys typically were better structured than casino daily tournaments which become shovefests and the better tournaments live are really expensive where as you could play the Sunday Million for $215.

gj contradicting yourself.

yea math geeks are really known for being actiony LAGs who spazz off their chips. it's frusturating having to wait for premiums onlines cause everyone is limping and playing 70% vpip then calling when you raise 10bb's. so true. people who used to make a living playing poker are such fish. i know man! games on weekends were so bad pre-BF! plus thank god for these newfangled chips that you can actually play with, so much better than having to use pen and paper!

Yeah online was definitely good for the MTT's and the price. Hard to play live tournaments that are worth it for cheap.

rake online way more detrimental imo

Online cash was so much more convenient but I've come full circle and think I would rarely play OL even if it did make a comeback -- I'm hooked on playing live.

Live has a wayyyyy softer player pool (having to start balancing 3b ranges at 25NL and even sometimes 10NL was ridiculous, bad players live are way worse than bad OL players) and I enjoy actually playing with the cards and bantering with the table. Adds a whole 'nother dimension to the game where OL is much more mathematically-based.

I enjoy playing both, but I've just become so used to playing whenever I want with OLP.

This time last year, if I wanted to play poker right now, I would be in my game of choice before I finished this post. Even if I had to be somewhere/go to sleep in 2 hours, I could get in a bunch of hands before I had to call it quits..

I want to play right now, but keep thinking to myself.. I have to go out in the cold, swing by the ATM, drive to a local casino, wait on the list for half an hour, join a game/stakes that I don't want to play, leave after midnight with 1k on me, etc..

Now that I have to make plans to play, I find myself doing it less and less.

I'm probably one of the few online kids that love live poker.

Although it's slow, I talk with my neighbors or think about the hands when others are playing. I rarely, if ever, talk about strategy. It's not fun for recreational players and there are other topics to talk about ie sports

On occasions, you meet interesting people who are successful and you learn what make them successful in life.

sports are the only thing to talk about?

in what way?... explain please

At least for tournaments live rake is much worse then online

There are tons of topics to talk about. What's going on in the world today, recent news, ask them what they do for a living, etc

The key is to ask questions and not talk about yourself. I always have a good time at the table.

If I'm not in the mood to talk, I follow the action and pretend as I'm teaching someone to play poker. This improves my thinking process a lot.

Loved brick and mortar before bf. now it's a toss up. The u.s. online scene is teh suck but live really tests my limits in not telling people to stfu constantly.

Yeah, I meant for cash. For most tourneys, live is definitely worse.

Firstly, I live in Canada so I have assess to both. Secondly I am a winner at online and live poker both over a huge sample size.

I really prefer live poker. I now consider online poker to be a very profitable video game. Live poker is awesome, actually buying in with cash, and rebying/cashing out in cash. Actually seeing your opponents in person. Another thing I like about live poker is your sesson begins when u enter the casino and ends when u leave. When u r done a session of online poker and decide to something else (eg:homework), its always tempting to relog on and play a few more hours especially if u had a losing session.

I was Black Card and Iron Man for like 2 years! Not feeling like I have to play every day and reach a certain level has made poker much less stressful!

On the other hand, finding the time to block out some hours to play live is tough! I don't put in nearly the volume I thought I would.

This for me as well. Live poker is a lot like going to the office of a part time job for me. I have my days and times that I play. When I get there, I'm working, and when I leave the session is over. Then when I'm home I block off days/times to study as well and it keeps a great balance of playing and learning for me. It was tougher for me to do this with online play as I just wanted to always jump online for a few more hands.