Because they're high denomination chips or because they're trying to cash out above the casino's internal SAR limits?

The Oaks, for instance, has a $3,000 ID policy. So 3 pinks ($1,000s) or any one of the balla James Bond rectangular plaques ($5,000 and $10,000) will trigger "the third degree" just as three racks of green would.

There's plenty of stories here with high-limit poker players shuffling chips around -- I'm sure they can say who hassles them and who doesn't...

Here's a quickie from a BlackJack site, which basically says the same thing. They hassle you if you're not the guy who just won them.


http://www.bjinsider.com/newsletter_120_rule.shtml

The Palimax has answered the question in detail and correctly. I think people are confusing invalidating a chip containing the RFID and turning off the RFID. One thing I've noticed is that in big stakes games, some players are trying to play with as many bills as possible to get around having to deal with FinCen and reporting.

Taking chips home is a good way to ensure the segregation of poker money and spending money.

Players also tend to leave any live game by selling their remaining chips to players who have cash in from of them -- although it's mostly to avoid going to the cage.


In "big" games, most of the action above the first 2k or so takes place entirely in cash in locales that allow it.

22 questions eh? why u bring so many high denomination chips? where did you get them? why did u take so many home? please come talk to our security. blablabla I can imagine this. Isn't the burden of proof on them to prove something is wrong rather than on the player to defend himself in this situation? Could he just say: "I've done nothing wrong, these chips are legitimate, that's it."? But then of course they might pay him once and 86 him forever or something or even arbitrarily revoke the chips or something. After all it's their business, right?

There's a lot that can be taken away from skimming the thread I'm about to link. It covers a few hurdles an odd situation was likely to run into by trying to cash in 40K in chips that a grandson found in his grandfather's stuff after he passed away:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/27...orage-1326568/


Basically, the casino doesn't have to accept chips from people that haven't gambled in their place. It's there mostly to cover their butts from a legal standpoint (money launderers using chips to clean their money, etc). It's not legal tender.

http://www.bjinsider.com/newsletter_120_rule.shtml

^ Mr. Lawyer there claims that the burden of proof is on the casino to prove that there's a good reason they should not redeem the chips. And there seems to be only one good reason (besides illegally obtained chips obviously) - if the person with the chips is a not a "patron" of the casino. And one can become a patron by playing once at a slot machine.

That said, I think that despite the burden being officially on the casinos, on the ground things are a little different with the casinos quickly and seamlessly turning the burden on the person with the chips in a CIA style interrogation. It's kind of like their own little kingdom and they rule it or at least they try to irregardless of what official limits on their power are. I suspect if the person does not cooperate with their "investigation" to their satisfaction, they will not appreciate that and said person even if paid will be 86d forever.... Sounds about right?

You have two options:

Deal with the casino, or
Involve a third party, maybe "win" your dispute, and get 86'd from the casino.


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You can always take home small quantities of large denomination chips and return with them later to play with them.


You can always take home small quantities of small and medium denomination chips as souvenirs.


You can sometimes take home large quantities of small denomination chips to use in your home.

I keep my poker manies in black and purple so i cant blow it on sneakers and drinks and hookers and blow and puppies and all my other fave-or-it things

i play at a smaller casino and the cage staff all know me tho.... so i've never had a problem. if u want a 1k chip you have to sign it out of the highstakes area of the floor with your ID and sign it back in to cash it.

You are selectively reading. The article clearly states that the law is split on this; the lawyer SUGGESTS that the burden of proof rests with the casino. I guarantee you a casino lawyer will SUGGEST the exact opposite.

Fighting with the casino is like invoking the Fourth Amendment at a traffic stop. You are certainly within your legal right to tell the officer to **** off; he is within his legal right to detain you for 1.5 hours while a canine unit is dispatched. Even if you win, you don't really win.

You can argue until you're blue in the face what the law says, and threaten to call the cops, but the unambiguous way to resolve the dispute is to take them to civil (not criminal) court and argue your case in front of a judge, in which case they get your name and address ...

... WHICH IS ALL THEY EVER ****ING ASK FOR ANYWAY. They don't give a **** whether you're a patron or not. They want your name and address so they can file an SAR if appropriate and they can link you to undesirable / criminal activity (casinos do not differentiate between counting cards and contract killing) if the police were ever to ask.

What's small?

So if you take out RFID chips, once you're out the door, then the casino in a sense "loses track" of them because their signal is out of range and now they're like "where did the 25 chocolates go?" Then when you bring them back, it's like: "o hello here they are hmm... interesting.. let's water board the bearer and see if everything is OK here. please come talk to our security"?

Your ignorance on the subject is considerable.

Dig through this link, then figure out why a casino might want to know why thousands of dollars worth of chips all of a sudden show up from someone who ordinarily wouldn't have them.

http://www.fincen.gov/news_room/rp/sar_guidance.html

Note: SARs reports are not optional.

PS. If the posting in this thread doesn't start rising above, "I don't think that should be wrong," I'm locking it.

RFID chips have a very short range. Millimeters.

The casino likes to keep track of their big chips for various reasons. If you try to cash in a large chip, they will want to know where you got it from. If the chip has a rfid reader, they can look up exactly which chip it is, and find out when they gave it to someone. they do this to prevent people from trying to rob them (because they will not honor stolen chips) and to keep track of players.

If you don't like that system, you are free to not acquire those chips.

Meh. Stronger readers can read them at longer ranges...

---Separately, for the people don't don't get it.


...but there still isn't the sort of tracking available that can distinguish, say, the size of a poker pot (even from a distance of a few inches), or how many chips you walked out the door with.


Even a stack of chips on a spot, directly above a reader in Blackjack won't always be readable.


Next time you use your badge to open a door at work, try shoving a fist-full of cards on the reader, and you'll understand why you can't read a pot full of poker chips.

I personally would cash them in. Chips don't fit in my pockets

Just ask 'Kadrik' if you can take them out of the casino. He managed to get this many live chips out of the bellagio for a home set. Drooling.. And more drooling! amazing

When you play big enough it's the opposite.

Hahaha

So is having discipline. I'd say the disadvantages outweight the advantages for most.

OMG! I'm cracking the **** up.

Great one OP.