Is it reasonable to ask to see villain's hand if you called his allin bet?

Pretty douchey if you make him show first if you've got the nuts IMO...

No. If I'm calling with the nuts my cards are immediately going straight into the middle with my chips.

But that doesn't mean that you can't ask to see his hand if he quickly tosses them in the muck... just don't sit on your cards while doing so.

Yeah, I know but if I showdown immediately do I break a code by asking the dealer to show his cards?

Depends on how much is in the pot. If we're talking 30 bucks, there's no reason to rub salt in the wound. If we're talking a couple hundred, it's very reasonable and you'll probably be thanked by the rest of the table who will be interested in seeing the cards too.

As long as you're not hot dogging it, people can live with things like that.

If you have called his all in bet then you have paid to see his cards.

Dude just call and flip the nuts. Don't ask to see, scumbag (this is a more passive form of tapping the glass)

Can you do it? Yes.
Should you? In general, no. If he was bluffing, we certainly don't want to embarrass him and get him to stop doing that.
If he got coolered, no need to rub it in.

If the villain has a history of making others show/slow rolling, I can get doing this, but I personally do not.

This, although also it's just bad form and at any rate the "information" of a single hand isn't nearly as valuable as some players seem to think.

I think my answer here changes depending on pot size and number of players in the pot. If it's a smallish pot where you think there's some info that might be useful later and/or one where you got squeezed in some weird way by some "friends," I might ask to see. But other than that, I'd just flip the cards over and move on. That sort of stuff can see you into a tough spot in the parking lot after the session.

You dont have to ask. You called. Wait for his hand to table with yours ready to table if you dont want to seem like a slowroll. Im supposed to see his hand and thus i will. I really dont care what the table thinks. Im there making a living, not to become popular. Strangely enough, successful players are sucked up to by most others no matter what they do.

Caro's style is to make people have a good time, even if they're losing. I think there is a lot of merit to that.

If your playing in a venue you will be returning to, I think there's value in following social etiquette. If you are a dick about following the rules, other players will insist on a strict interpretation of the rules for you.

Happy people gamble, and this doesn't make them happy.

THAT is a violation of etiquette. You have the nuts; you WILL be showing your hand, so get on with it.

One thing to think about is that if you force your opponent to show, everyone at the table will get the information, not just you. Since you are the best hand reader at the table, that information should benefit OTHER players more than it benefits you.

+1 hadn't really thought about that

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Something not mentioned: What if you don't really have the nuts, you just THINK you do, and Villain mis-read his hand and his hand is actually better? Guess what, it's live and you lose.

Your invoking IWTSTH makes the hand live, so even if he tosses his cards in the middle, if you ask the dealer to show the hand and it turns out to be the winner, he gets awarded the pot. Cry all you want to the dealer, floor, shift manager, Gaming Commision, 2+2 forums, EVERYBODY will tell you the same thing, and NOBODY will shed a tear of sympathy because you were a douchebag.

Don't be a douche. Quietly take down the pot, wrap the table, "Nice hand", on to the next hand.

Depends on villain.

I'd never do it for information, against a new fishy or a good reg.

I'd definitely do it to some of the angle shooting scumbags who constantly pull up newcomers on string bets and always waste everybody's time by never just showing in turn like they should.

I'd also slowroll the **** out of anybody I considered a friend, rather than just a poker aquaintance, just for the lols.

Never ask villain to show... EVER!

Part of me wants to agree with this. There are some players who never like to show their cards and against this player who is constantly asking me to show when he was the last aggressor I want to see what he has since he always sees mine and I never his. But I guess I am being stubborn and it is still kind of douchey.

This is an excellent reason not to do that. But still even if it is douchey sometimes I feel as though I have to fight the impulse to make him show anyways if a player never shows. These feelings are BS and I should ignore them right?

Well i play in a pretty soft game by 2p2 standards and Imo it's not worth the money you will lose once the game is not friendly anymore, and for your image.

If I called somebody, I always ask them to show me there hand, "I called you" before I show my hand.

If they were bluffing and want to throw their hand away before seeing my hand thats fine...I can throw my hand away as well...

But I hate these angle guys or whatever they are, who always want you to turn over your hand first, when you called them....you paid to see it.

I dont mind if its a casino fish who plays regularly. I did it once with the nut flush. Some guy said thats brutal. Villain showed a 62 flush after I waited to see his hand after he shoved right in to me. But it was the information I needed villain was an arab after that I followed him to every table. He played for about 6months have not seen him since. I eventually won about 4grand total off of him. Ethics your in the wrong profession.

Is coming over the top of an allin bad etiquette? H U, obviously.

I had to deal with some people calling me out on my string bets when I was first getting the hang of live, was really annoying because the dealer didn't care about until people called me out on it. That only happened at that table and people I play with are usually very nice...moving on I don't think you should ever ask to see their hand if you are calling with the nuts, just flip your cards over collect your chips and move on.

You should always ask IMO