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04-07-2013 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by JDiamond364
So did they play the hand out or did they actually go with the misdeal?
Why would it be a misdeal?
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Originally Posted by AKQJ10
You really didn't even receive a hand there. You received one card then three indistinguishable cards at once, which doesn't constitute a hand, not even in Omaha.
No, because -
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Originally Posted by jmark
The dealer didn't deal incorrectly, so it's not a misdeal.
^^^This.
04-07-2013 , 05:30 PM
What exactly are you citing for dealer error being the only cause of a misdeal?

If one of the first two cards dealt gets exposed because it hits a chip on the table and flips up, the dealer didn't deal incorrectly either. The chip just happened to be in the way of an otherwise perfect pitch. So by 2+2 reasoning unless we're willing to fault the dealer for that circumstance, it's not a misdeal.

If some foreign object (maybe another player's hand, not the one receiving cards at the moment; maybe the cocktail server spilling a drink; maybe a lamp crashing down on the table) flips up two cards during the pitch, or one of the first two cards, that's not the dealer's fault, so it can't be a misdeal.

I'm not getting the source of this reasoning.
04-07-2013 , 10:28 PM
Well, going by RROP:

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The following circumstances cause a misdeal, provided attention is called to the error before two players have acted on their hands.

(a) The first or second card of the hand has been exposed by a dealer error.

(b) Two or more cards have been exposed by the dealer.

(c) Two or more boxed cards (improperly faced cards) are found.

(d) Two or more extra cards have been dealt in the starting hands of a game.

(e) An incorrect number of cards has been dealt to a player, except the top card may be dealt if it goes to the player in proper sequence.

(f) Any card has been dealt out of the proper sequence (except an exposed card may be replaced by the burncard).

(g) The button was out of position.

(h) The first card was dealt to the wrong position.

(i) Cards have been dealt to an empty seat or a player not entitled to a hand.

(j) A player has been dealt out who is entitled to a hand. This player must be present at the table or have posted a blind or ante.
c, g, and j sound like the only ones that could possibly occur due to someone other than the dealer; and those would all be rare cases for a player to cause them.
04-08-2013 , 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Didace
Why would it be a misdeal?
I didn't expect that it would be. Your story ended without the result. I was just curious what they did.
04-08-2013 , 02:04 AM
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Originally Posted by OneCrazyDuck
Well, going by RROP:



c, g, and j sound like the only ones that could possibly occur due to someone other than the dealer; and those would all be rare cases for a player to cause them.


e - the correct number of cards never made it to the player. Three intermingled cards does not constitute a single card "dealt."
04-08-2013 , 02:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Didace
... My second card arrives at the same instant as two cards come sliding across the table and all three are in one pile.

... Floor listens to the dealer and says, "The hand is dead".
I would prefer that the dealer give you the next card off the deck and take one of the three mixed cards as the first burn. Like the dealer had exposed your second card.
04-08-2013 , 09:12 AM


Are these the cards he used to hit your cards?
04-08-2013 , 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by AKQJ10
e - the correct number of cards never made it to the player. Three intermingled cards does not constitute a single card "dealt."
Now you're being silly.

Cards are dealt from the deck by the dealer. The player was dealt two cards.

Two other cards were thrown towards him by another player. He wasn't paying enough attention, by his own admission, and bad things happened.
04-08-2013 , 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by OneCrazyDuck
Two other cards were thrown towards him by another player. He wasn't paying enough attention, by his own admission, and bad things happened.
While this is true, I'm not sure it was possible to actually do anything if I was paying "enough attention". I could not have blocked the discards from getting to me without physically interfering with the dealer giving me my last card, and even if I knew what card was mine there was no way to prove it. I didn't disagree with the ruling and wasn't worked up about it at all.
04-08-2013 , 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by OneCrazyDuck
Now you're being silly.

Cards are dealt from the deck by the dealer. The player was dealt two cards.

Two other cards were thrown towards him by another player. He wasn't paying enough attention, by his own admission, and bad things happened.
Not at all. I'm arguing deal is sort of analogous to communicate. Your argument is analogous to treating an utterance as a form of communication rather than one piece thereof.

If you never got a valid hand that you could protect, you were never dealt a valid hand, no matter what the dealer pitched off the deck.
04-19-2013 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by DrChesspain


Are these the cards he used to hit your cards?
Yes.

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Originally Posted by AKQJ10
Not at all. I'm arguing deal is sort of analogous to communicate. Your argument is analogous to treating an utterance as a form of communication rather than one piece thereof.

If you never got a valid hand that you could protect, you were never dealt a valid hand, no matter what the dealer pitched off the deck.
j also applies. The player was not given a hand. Look at it this way, what if dealer deals your card into the muck. Did he deal you a hand? That is what happened to Didace. Actually, that makes the analysis simple. Where seat 6 threw his cards is the muck. Dealer dealt there. Not that dealer could do much about it, but at least that protects everyone. Not sure what the final result is misdeal, or take burn card out of those three cards and give Didace another card. Either way, Didace does not have a hand yet.
04-24-2013 , 02:35 AM
Bozo sounds like he mucks like Jason Mercier. Annoying. Obviously he doesn't care that he could potentially flash his cards or other show them altogether. What does he care he's affected the hand? He folded, doesn't affect him. Long as he looked good folding

      
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