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02-26-2012 , 05:27 PM

Jon Superdeath

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Heya. I can't seem to find anything anywhere that definitively says how one is supposed to burn cards in stud. I'm guessing just burn one before dealing each street, but I don't want to do something wrong when I deal these games at home. Obv. this is not the draw forum, but what's the right way to burn for draw games, as well?

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02-26-2012 , 05:42 PM

bonobostyle

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Originally Posted by Jon Superdeath

Stud games: Burn one card down before dealing 4th through 7th streets

Draw games: Burn one before dealing each round of draws (even if players are pat). So one burn card in single draw games and three burn cards in triple draw games.

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02-26-2012 , 08:06 PM

ChipsAhoya

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ceegee opening his mouth is typically the first step in my burn procedure

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02-26-2012 , 09:23 PM

RustyBrooks

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The reason for burning is that someone might have been able to guess the card on the top of the deck because it was marked in some way. Burning it removes that possibility. So you need to burn before you start dealing any "set" of cards anew. Thus we burn before flop, turn, river in holdem, between streets in stud, between draws in draw, etc.

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02-26-2012 , 09:24 PM

RustyBrooks

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Originally Posted by ChipsAhoya

ceegee opening his mouth is typically the first step in my burn procedure

Is that why he's learned to speak with his mouth closed?

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02-27-2012 , 11:55 PM

Jon Superdeath

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Originally Posted by bonobostyle

Draw games: Burn one before dealing each round of draws (even if players are pat).

Interesting that you burn even if players are pat. I guess this would make no difference whatsoever in single draw, but in triple draw I could see how somebody would snow one round and then draw the next when somebody patted behind them and then cry about getting the "wrong" card because the dealer didn't burn on the previous round.

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02-28-2012 , 12:12 AM

electrical

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The burn cards in draw are an important marker that show how many draws have taken place. If the dealer didn't burn and both players are pat, there could be some confusion about how many rounds are left. In practice, players count the burn cards regularly.

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02-28-2012 , 12:17 AM

ChipsAhoya

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Originally Posted by electrical

yeah, that's why when they reshuffle the deck in big triple draw pots or whatever, they redeal out some extra burn cards.

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02-28-2012 , 01:07 AM

electrical

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The proper procedure is to burn a card, then ask how many cards the first player wants. If you do it that way you'll never forget to burn.

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02-29-2012 , 07:14 PM

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Phat Mack

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Originally Posted by ChipsAhoya

yeah, that's why when they reshuffle the deck in big triple draw pots or whatever, they redeal out some extra burn cards.

They shouldn't be re-shuffling the burns.

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02-29-2012 , 08:53 PM

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ChipsAhoya

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They shouldn't be re-shuffling the burns.

I think the borgata shuffles everything except the current round discards. I remember them specifically being told to deal out some more burn cards sometimes.

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02-29-2012 , 08:59 PM

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bansky11

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Originally Posted by ChipsAhoya

yeah, that's why when they reshuffle the deck in big triple draw pots or whatever, they redeal out some extra burn cards.

So snowing based on the drawed cards is useless or changes?

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02-29-2012 , 09:06 PM

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ChipsAhoya

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Originally Posted by bansky11

So snowing based on the drawed cards is useless or changes?

well, if you're snowing, you probably haven't seen too many discards, but everyone's get shuffled back into a new deck if they run out...

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03-01-2012 , 12:26 PM

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camz2895

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the ol get a card on 3rd draw that you already discarded routine...happened to me last night

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03-01-2012 , 01:59 PM

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electrical

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In our draw games we keep two mucks, or we're supposed to. One is deadwood, hands that have been mucked, and the other is discards. If we need to build a new stub for the third draw we use the remaining stub and the deadwood, meaning that nobody should ever see a card twice.

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03-01-2012 , 02:10 PM

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RustyBrooks

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Originally Posted by electrical

If you have mucked hands, your game is too tight!

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