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08-19-2017 , 01:37 AM

PocketKings

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8 handed. Do not remember exact discarded cards by other players. It was like three lo cards and 3 hi cards.

Player1 board: (XX)6h5c5d3c

Player2 board: (6s2d)AhQc3dJd

3rd Street: Player1 Bringins. Three folds before Player2 raises. Player1 calls.
4rd Street: Player1 donks. Player2 calls.
5rd Street: Player1 bets. Player2 calls.
6rd Street: Player1 bets. Should Player2 fold or call?

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08-19-2017 , 03:02 AM

Joe Tall

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Player2 has the lead with the high board, I assume he check/called 4th.

Depending on the structure, there are some folds to be considered:

4th: Possible fold if Player1 is a nit and has a strong range vs an Ace that raises into a field in a low ante structure. It's closer than most think as Player2's about 2:1 dog in all-in equity with implied odds working against him, and needing more like 3:2. However, typical structures vs typical opponents are a peel here in today's games.

6th: Getting 5.5:1 on 6th in most structures, Player2 is around a ~6:1 dog as his scooping potential has nearly run to 0, fold is fine.

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08-19-2017 , 03:52 AM

RolldUpTrips

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Originally Posted by Joe Tall

stooooop you can't fold 4 with A26Q there. 6 i agree is a fold. It's a bad spot and also a RIO spot because you have to call the river with any lo or any hi that can beat his board

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08-19-2017 , 03:15 PM

PocketKings

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Originally Posted by Joe Tall

6th: Getting 5.5:1 on 6th in most structures, Player2 is around a ~6:1 dog as his scooping potential has nearly run to 0, fold is fine.

Thanks! Can you elaborate more on deriving the scooping potential of Player2 at about 6:1?

When Player1 calls Player2's raise, if Player1 a typical player, what range you would assign to him? What range you would assign to a nit in the situation?

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08-21-2017 , 12:56 AM

Joe Tall

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Originally Posted by RolldUpTrips

stooooop you can't fold 4 with A26Q there.

Re-read my reply, structure and player (not and/or) dependent.

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08-21-2017 , 12:59 AM

Joe Tall

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Originally Posted by PocketKings

Thanks! Can you elaborate more on deriving the scooping potential of Player2 at about 6:1?

I think you mis-read it, scooping potential is 0.

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Originally Posted by PocketKings

When Player1 calls Player2's raise, if Player1 a typical player, what range you would assign to him?

Quickly:

Any two low, any three suited, any pair (wide but typically it is.)

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What range you would assign to a nit in the situation?

Eliminate razz hands and most pairs, and two-suited is more low-drawn.

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08-22-2017 , 04:58 AM

RolldUpTrips

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Originally Posted by Joe Tall

Re-read my reply, structure and player (not and/or) dependent.

I'm not so sure that there's any realistic situation where I'm folding that on 4

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08-22-2017 , 11:09 AM

PocketKings

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Originally Posted by Joe Tall

I think you mis-read it, scooping potential is 0.

Sorry about that! I wanted to understand how did you obtain the estimate that "Player2 is around a ~6:1 dog".

Thanks again!

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08-24-2017 , 12:17 AM

NedSchneebly

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don't fold 4th or 6th

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08-24-2017 , 12:18 AM

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Joe Tall

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Originally Posted by RolldUpTrips

I'm not so sure that there's any realistic situation where I'm folding that on 4

Most never consider it.

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