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Old 02-16-2018, 12:52 PM   #1
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Stud8 - Buried Aces vs Maniac with Dangerous Board

10-20 Stud8, 5 handed, part of OE mix

Villain is basically ridiculous, famous in the game for capping early with all sorts of nonsense, will generally barrel the first couple streets and if he slows down he sure as hell isn't folding until mayyyybe the river. V2 plays pretty straightforward but on the loose side especially in Stud8.

$2 antes, V1 brings in for 3 with xx5, couple face cards fold, V2 with J limps, Hero completes to $10 with (AA)5, V raises to 20, V2 calls, Hero raises to 30, V1 caps it to 40, V2 and H call. V1's range is big pairs, Ace-low-5, hearts with 2+ low, probably most 3-card lows 7 or lower. He just happily caps 3rd with playable hands. V2 would probably raise Js, more likely has clubs or straight draw.

4th street ($130 pot)
V1 xx52
V2 xxJ8
H (AA)59

V2 check, H check, V1 bets 10 and both call.

5th street (160 pot)
V1 xx526
V2 xxJ8K
H (AA)59:spade8

Checks to V1 who bets 20, V2 folds and H calls.

6th street (200 pot)
V1 xx5267
H (AA)59:spade89:diamond :

Hero checks, V1 bets 20, Hero ??

Getting 11 to 1 but if V1 is already there on hearts we would barely be getting odds to draw in Stud High only. If he has a low heart we have like 4-5% equity. If he just has a low and draw we are around 33%. If he has a big pair or 2-pair we are around 65%. Call and fold river unimproved? Call both streets due to V's wide range? Give up now? I guess with this runout V is still betting 100% of his range.

Thoughts appreciated.
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Old 02-17-2018, 08:26 AM   #2
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Re: Stud8 - Buried Aces vs Maniac with Dangerous Board

I would just shrug-fold 6th, maybe if we give the villain any 2 random cards in the hole we have to call it down, but even against that range folding is still probably less than a $10 error. Card removal based off other villain doesn't look good either.

Would be very helpful to know the door cards of the final 2 players.

Sidenote: if villain is as wild as you say I would prefer a more agressively line on 4th over heroing about the worst possible run-out
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Old 02-17-2018, 10:43 PM   #3
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Re: Stud8 - Buried Aces vs Maniac with Dangerous Board

Ran some numbers, if we decide villain really does have any 2 random cards we have to call down (xr if we boat up)

But depending on how we weigh his value hands, we can decide we don't have enough equity to call down - if you really think villain has that much flotsam just call down and don't worry about it

Calling and xfing river is bad though
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Old 02-17-2018, 11:24 PM   #4
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Re: Stud8 - Buried Aces vs Maniac with Dangerous Board

I definitely like calling if you had the Ah. With your particular hand I probably call down anyway vs the described player, but it has to be fairly close. Calling only 6 and folding 7 UI is awful
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Old 02-18-2018, 03:59 AM   #5
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Re: Stud8 - Buried Aces vs Maniac with Dangerous Board

I think calling is def best. I would also bet 4th.
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Old 02-18-2018, 08:58 PM   #6
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Re: Stud8 - Buried Aces vs Maniac with Dangerous Board

What are the dead cards?
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Old 02-19-2018, 10:40 AM   #7
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Re: Stud8 - Buried Aces vs Maniac with Dangerous Board

Unfortunately forgot the other 2 dead cards... vaguely called them face cards in the original post, but possible it was one low and one high, not sure of suits.

If I lead 4th V1 will almost surely raise. V2 pretty likely to peel at least one more. Would I keep raising even though my board sucks? I guess if they both have high hands it could be glorious. Obviously slowing down on 5th and I guess even better odds to call down at that point.
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