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Stud High--Should This Have Been an Easy Fold? Stud High--Should This Have Been an Easy Fold?

07-21-2009 , 11:57 PM
7 Card Stud High ($0.10/$0.20), Ante $0.02, Bring-In $0.03 (converter)

3rd Street - (1.40 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 3___brings-in___folds
Seat 2: xx xx 7___calls___calls
Seat 3: xx xx 7___folds
Seat 4: xx xx 4___calls___calls
Seat 5: xx xx 6___calls___calls
Seat 6: xx xx A___folds
Hero: T 5 T___completes

4th Street - (5.70 SB)

Seat 2: xx xx 7 J___bets___raises___calls
Seat 4: xx xx 4 A___calls___calls___calls
Seat 5: xx xx 6 K___calls___folds
Hero: T 5 T T___checks___raises___raises

5th Street - (12.35 BB)

Seat 2: xx xx 7 J 4___calls
Seat 4: xx xx 4 A 2___calls
Hero: T 5 T T Q___bets

6th Street - (15.35 BB)

Seat 2: xx xx 7 J 4 Q___calls___calls
Seat 4: xx xx 4 A 2 A___bets___raises
Hero: T 5 T T Q 5___raises___calls

River - (24.35 BB)

Seat 2: xx xx 7 J 4 Q xx___calls $0.03 (all-in)
Seat 4: xx xx 4 A 2 A xx___bets___raises___calls
Hero: T 5 T T Q 5 3___raises___raises

Total pot: (32.50 BB - $6.50)

Just sat down, so no reads, but I have pretty much zero stud experience so I'm not sure I'd know what to do if I had reads. How did I play if he's some donk who loves to chases draws? What if he's a competent player?

When he raised on the flush card, I figured he made his flush, but I also figured there was a possibility that I was suddenly beaten when he raised me back. Then, on 7th, I thought it was probably really nitty to immediately fear the nuts when he probably does this with tons of spades, though I had no read on him.

E: I'm sorry, I forgot to post the game type in the title. Can a mod change that for me? Thanks.

Last edited by ac on; 07-22-2009 at 12:08 AM.
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07-22-2009 , 12:34 AM
No, you are never folding a full house. At *many* levels above this one, probably as far up as I've played, you'll see this action with AAA, an A high flush, an A-5 straight, maybe even aces up with a draw. I would *expect*, after all this action, for TTT to be beaten, but you have a full house. I'll cap 6th and 7th and take my lumps if I lose, tyvm.
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07-22-2009 , 12:43 AM
Never folding in this situation.
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07-22-2009 , 01:18 AM
Did you see that seat 6 mucked an ace on 4th street?


Now tell me you lost to a straight flush.

Cap that sh|t.
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07-22-2009 , 02:14 AM
I guess I'm a bit nitty. He showed up with aces full, which what I was immediately afraid of. :x

Thanks for the quick responses, guys. Is there any way you could see yourselves folding if we didn't have the five? So it was just trip tens versus his flushes, A-5 straights, trip aces? Or would we cry pot odds and call trying to fill up?

What if his ace of was of a different suit, so we could eliminate flushes from his range? Then he's more likely to have trip aces if he doesn't have us beaten already. Would we still be raising him there since he might be more inclined to just call with his trip aces but RR with his aces full?

I figure that he wouldn't RR just trip aces since he has to know that we know he has trip aces+ and since we don't seem to care what he has, plus our paired board, he would be scared that we already have a boat.

Last edited by ac on; 07-22-2009 at 02:20 AM.
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07-22-2009 , 02:39 AM
Im not really a stud hi player because I dont really know how to play the game well but after seeing an ace folded on 3rd I just cant see myselfing believing he hit the case ace and has trip aces or aces full. Id put him on a flush before I would those two hands.

Dude binked the case ace to beat ya, FYL IMO.
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07-23-2009 , 12:03 AM
I don't raise third after that many limpers with a middling pair and no kicker. I bet out on fourth and take it from there. Cap sixth. I can see not capping the river, but folding should never, ever enter your mind.
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07-23-2009 , 12:08 AM
I'm never a fan of "lol this is microstakes your opponents are stupid cap it up", but... your opponent will have less than aces full a lot more often at .10/.20 than at 5/10. That's just a fact. The lower you go down, the less rationally your opponents will act. *Most* real money levels have a semblence to sanity but it doesn't change the fact that your Ts full is good here a LOT.

Sure, if you don't want to cap the river, don't, but folding is not an option and capping is perfectly reasonable.
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07-23-2009 , 12:51 AM
On the river, whether you call the three bet or raise is angels on pinheads territory, but folding is ridiculous.
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07-23-2009 , 01:29 PM
I hate the checkraise on 4th. Just lead out imo. Otherwise, just a cold deck.
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07-24-2009 , 02:53 AM
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Originally Posted by RichGangi
I hate the checkraise on 4th. Just lead out imo. Otherwise, just a cold deck.
Same opinion. Just lead out the big bet.

Cap 6th street. It might be somewhat reasonable to just call 7th street, but folding is ridiculous. Seeing an A folded in the beginning, I am more inclined to cap 7th street just as you did.

Just a cooler to run into aces full.
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07-26-2009 , 01:45 AM
you have to realize that the way you played it would scare the sh-- out of anyone so when you start getting raised on 7th you have to stop feeling fuzzy and just call.
against most i would have just called his 7th street bet and not made the raise.
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07-26-2009 , 10:26 AM
Ray is like never wrong, but keep in mind that he has zero hands at this limit under his belt. People who should be scared frequently aren't aware enough to be scared.
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07-26-2009 , 05:08 PM
how true Andy. i do find that when you keep getting raised by a maniac it seems after a certain amount of action they seem to show up with the nuts.

as far as me not having any hands at this limit you can be sure i keep up with some of the action by stopping in and playing a few hands and watching some tables when i am wasting my time at the computer. i have been in the biggest game going as well as the smallest at the same time. but not often.
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07-26-2009 , 08:55 PM
I kinda hate when seat 2 raises on 4th street when he hits the jack. Kinda screams I have trip jacks and I can beat your trip tens, since your check raise is so strong.
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07-26-2009 , 08:57 PM
Nah, never folding ( and don't be results oriented). I probably don't put in as many bets once we get to the middle of 6th and then at the river. But I lose enough, though.

Last edited by Rush17; 07-26-2009 at 09:13 PM.
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