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04-26-2019 , 11:59 AM
Winning Poker, 7 Stud H/L Limit - $1/$2 ($0.25 ante) - 5 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

Seat 8: $29.25 (29 bb)
Seat 1: $69.25 (69 bb)
Seat 2: $26.60 (27 bb)
Seat 4: $62.87 (63 bb)
Seat 6 (Hero): $44.48 (44 bb)

Third Street: ($1.25) Hero is in Seat 6
5 6 2 Hero bring-in $0.50
Xx Xx J UTG folds
Xx Xx J MP folds
Xx Xx T CO calls $0.50
Xx Xx 3 BTN calls $0.50

Fourth Street: ($2.75) (3 players)
Xx Xx T J CO bets $1
Xx Xx 3 2 BTN calls $1
5 6 2 4 Hero calls $1

Fifth Street: ($5.75) (3 players)
Xx Xx T J T CO bets $2
Xx Xx 3 2 A BTN calls $2
5 6 2 4 Q Hero calls $2

Sixth Street: ($11.75) (3 players)
5 6 2 4 Q Q Hero checks
Xx Xx T J T 8 CO checks
Xx Xx 3 2 A K BTN checks

Seventh Street: ($11.75) (3 players)
5 6 2 4 Q Q 9 Hero bets $2
Xx Xx T J T 8 Xx CO calls $2
Xx Xx 3 2 A K Xx BTN folds

Total pot: $15.75 (Rake: $0.60)

My questions:

3rd Street - ever worth a raise? the 3 is dead which I'm counting on to scoop the pot but I also have a good low hand in a situation where we may go Low/Low/High

4th Street - Looking back I think this is a raise. I hit the perfect card and while the button catches a great card, he doesn't raise a lead into him. Can we assume he paired up here?

5th Street - total brick but pot is big. Can't fold now, right?

6th Street - I can't think of a time I can lead here. Am I wrong?

7th Street - After the CO has checked back a few decent cards, is it possible to put him on some type of straight draw that hit a pair and if so, I've got two queens and a nine blocking him. But at the same time, a bet will get called by two pair as I'm showing the Queens. This was a bad bet I think.

Thoughts?
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04-26-2019 , 04:17 PM
You should not open-complete, but if there's a completion in front of you there will be times you want to raise, principally when there are worse low draws or multiple high hands in the pot.

I would often raise Fourth street because you probably have the best low draw, and regardless, any small card down the line will be threatening. If you play it passively you get no folds when you catch a Five or Six, but if you raise here those cards look like very bad news.

You have a ton of equity on Sixth, and if you get Tens up to fold that's great, so I probably stick a bet in there, but if you're certain he's not folding then checking is fine.

The bet on the river is awful as you've guessed.
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04-27-2019 , 11:53 AM
fourth raise is mandatory. Neither player raised third.

I would check 7th
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04-27-2019 , 11:53 AM
I missed the open complete. Don’t do that.
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04-27-2019 , 01:24 PM
3rd: fine, no one open completes FR
4th: i think peeling is better than raising. we're a slight favorite at best
5th: fine, because pot is huge
6th: fine, because guy is saying he has trips

7th: shrugs? guy with TT can cry call 2p, because u rep lows
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04-28-2019 , 02:29 PM
disregard my comments about raising third. i posted this while getting ready to board an airplane and not sure where my mind was. i never open complete and clearly nobody raised in front of me.

otherwise, the real question is 4th and reading the (xx)32 just calling the bet into him from (xx)TJ - how often does that read as "he paired his 2" and if so, does that make my hand much more valuable since I'm still drawing to a scoop hand and most likely a better low.
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04-28-2019 , 10:21 PM
I like raise 4th if we can force out a pair some of the time vs the overlimp range and especially with our scoop card dead. Its closer to leave the T in if the 3 is totally live, but if we can get the tens out and win at sd with a pair of fours that we pick up its huge.

Open limping big cards are more inclined to say **** it and fold 4th instead of taking two to the face w no money in as opposed to stubborn completors even if theyre using the same ranges.

5th standard

6th lean towards a check vs this range

7th chk
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04-29-2019 , 05:52 AM
4th is a slam-dunk raise. HU you scoop with an accidental small pair so much more often. 6th I would like to see a lead. Your opponent is pretty likely to just have the tens and the third player didn't raise on 5 so doesn't have a completed low. You can run into aces, but he should've also raised that on 5. 7th I guess you're trying to bluff out 2 small pair? Don't do that. Your board shows a possible low so they will cry call.
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04-29-2019 , 02:13 PM
Raise 4th, bet 6th. The river, no one is ever folding a better hand there.

I am curious as to what your opponent has with 32AK showing had. He played that hand really weak. The only thing I could think might be 32 In the hole and can't make the overcall on 7th.
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04-29-2019 , 08:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by oscillator
I like raise 4th if we can force out a pair some of the time vs the overlimp range and especially with our scoop card dead. Its closer to leave the T in if the 3 is totally live, but if we can get the tens out and win at sd with a pair of fours that we pick up its huge.
so this kind of coincides with what you posted in another thread where i hit hidden trips and board showed (xx) and you suggested check calling 4th because i was so strong but check raising a non two flush board. you're suggesting dragging people along when all threes are live due to the immense strength.

interesting.
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04-29-2019 , 11:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wubbles
so this kind of coincides with what you posted in another thread where i hit hidden trips and board showed (xx) and you suggested check calling 4th because i was so strong but check raising a non two flush board. you're suggesting dragging people along when all threes are live due to the immense strength.

interesting.
I didnt really say c/c in that thread because your hand is so strong, as much as it's how you would play your bricks, so you balance your check calls when you have a strong hand with the times you check call when you catch a brick, protecting your range. A bonus is you will often be bet at on the big bet streets and you can get your raise in then.

I would also play that other hand with a 3 flush as a check call a fair amount of the time and a cr some percent. I think other 3 flush combos are better suited to protect your bluffraising range there. namely big one pair hands that might want some immediate value but may not always be able to raise 5th street for value so you get some value somewhere and you have a balanced value range to go with your 3 flush bluffing range.

I wouldnt worry about the last paragraph if you dont want to be bothered tbh because constructing bluffraises in that spot isnt frequently used unless youre against extremely tough competition. I mean you could use it, but other people wont be doing it very often at all. You could just c/c all "bricked" 4ths as default and be just fine. The main thing is not leading there.

Back to this hand

I am for sure saying a hand is better as a call when either the value of your implied odds vs 2 hands might payoff more than knocking a high hand out, or you're unlikely to get a strong high hand out and might not be pushing much equity, or might accidentally knock the low equity hand out and wind up heads up with a hand that is the favorite, thus reducing your overall earn

I was saying between the two hands here, I would like your live gutshot hand more as a call than I like your exact hand in this spot that I think plays better as a raise. Your equity however only goes up a few % if your gs card isnt out.

If your hand were something like 2345 your equity 3 ways goes up massively and there a flat and leaving everyone is a really really good option because if you make your hand you might get $$$
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