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Originally Posted by wubbles
so this kind of coincides with what you posted in another thread where i hit hidden trips and board showed (xx) and you suggested check calling 4th because i was so strong but check raising a non two flush board. you're suggesting dragging people along when all threes are live due to the immense strength.
interesting.
I didnt really say c/c in that thread because your hand is so strong, as much as it's how you would play your bricks, so you balance your check calls when you have a strong hand with the times you check call when you catch a brick, protecting your range. A bonus is you will often be bet at on the big bet streets and you can get your raise in then.
I would also play that other hand with a 3 flush as a check call a fair amount of the time and a cr some percent. I think other 3 flush combos are better suited to protect your bluffraising range there. namely big one pair hands that might want some immediate value but may not always be able to raise 5th street for value so you get some value somewhere and you have a balanced value range to go with your 3 flush bluffing range.
I wouldnt worry about the last paragraph if you dont want to be bothered tbh because constructing bluffraises in that spot isnt frequently used unless youre against extremely tough competition. I mean you could use it, but other people wont be doing it very often at all. You could just c/c all "bricked" 4ths as default and be just fine. The main thing is not leading there.
Back to this hand
I am for sure saying a hand is better as a call when either the value of your implied odds vs 2 hands might payoff more than knocking a high hand out, or you're unlikely to get a strong high hand out and might not be pushing much equity, or might accidentally knock the low equity hand out and wind up heads up with a hand that is the favorite, thus reducing your overall earn
I was saying between the two hands here, I would like your live gutshot hand more as a call than I like your exact hand in this spot that I think plays better as a raise. Your equity however only goes up a few % if your gs card isnt out.
If your hand were something like 2345 your equity 3 ways goes up massively and there a flat and leaving everyone is a really really good option because if you make your hand you might get $$$