Winning Poker, 7 Stud H/L Limit - $1/$2 ($0.25 ante) - 6 players
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Seat 1: $51.43 (51 bb)
Seat 2: $10.00 (10 bb)
Seat 3: $32.99 (33 bb)
Seat 4: $71.90 (72 bb)
Seat 6 (Hero): $47.33 (47 bb)
Seat 8: $48.75 (49 bb)

Third Street: ($1.50) Hero is in Seat 6
Xx Xx 5♣ BI bring-in $0.50____BI folds
Xx Xx Q♣ UTG folds
Xx Xx 5♥ MP calls $0.50____MP calls $0.50
Xx Xx 7♠ MP+1 folds
Xx Xx 9♥ CO folds
T♣ T♦ 8♥ Hero raises to $1

Fourth Street: ($4) (2 players)
T♣ T♦ 8♥ T♥ Hero bets $1
Xx Xx 5♥ 2♦ MP calls $1

Fifth Street: ($6) (2 players)
Xx Xx 5♥ 2♦ 2♥ MP checks____MP calls $2
T♣ T♦ 8♥ T♥ 7♣ Hero bets $2

Sixth Street: ($10) (2 players)
Xx Xx 5♥ 2♦ 2♥ 2♠ MP bets $2
T♣ T♦ 8♥ T♥ 7♣ 6♥ Hero calls $2

Seventh Street: ($14) (2 players)
Xx Xx 5♥ 2♦ 2♥ 2♠ Xx MP bets $2
T♣ T♦ 8♥ T♥ 7♣ 6♥ A♦ Hero calls $2

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I assume that everything up to 6th Street is completely standard, correct?

At that point, can I ever put in a raise on 6th? Furthermore, would I ever think of folding on 7th? He knows that I have called him with him having three of a kind, could it ever be him with less than a boat?

Your board on Six could easily be a low hand, his bet on the river means he improved to a fh or made his low, but you're getting >3.5:1 so if it's equally likely he has a low or a fh then you have to call. The dead cards slightly indicate he didn't make a low, but not enough to fold.

I wouldn't raise Sixth. If a bunch of bets go in you're in bad shape, and he's never in bad shape vs your actual hand.

checkraise 4th like a mfer.

yeah. one of those spots where my brain thinks "trip tens" instead of "it looks like i bricked" - usually pretty good at picking up on that, not sure why i didn't this time. actually, combined w/ steve's advice, its clear that my entire hand i'm not playing it with my perceived hand in mind. pot should have been bigger.

He caught the last deuce on 7th whoopsie!

The c/r is fine but you're not really crushing a wheel draw.

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600,000 trials (Randomized)

dead cards: 7 5

Hand	Pot equity	Scoops	Wins Hi	Ties Hi	Wins Lo	Ties Lo
2345	50.48%	171,367	171,367	0	428,826	0
TTT8	49.52%	165,594	428,633	0	0	0

He doesn't have to have a wheel draw but if he does you're actually losing a little money with the raise.

I’d raise 6th.

care to explain why?

isn't this right out of the Theory of Poker? he bets into me showing at the very least, three of a kind. doesn't that bet suggest that he has at worst, a boat? he has to know the only way i call is with at least trips and i'm raising my boats.

Because three tens is better than three twos and he doesn’t have a full house based on the dead five and his third street play. Your trips are hidden as well.

Hey!

3rd street an overlimp is a strong consideration if the bi isnt overfolding. Given that the bring in is so large he has a good price to call a lot of reasonable things, you may not want to inflate the pot, and give the bring in or initial limpers a chance to raise or backraise and put you in awkward spots if things develop poorly throughout the hand.

having the 8 up incentivizes hands that wish to continue to raise you, whereas if you have (TT)2 or something, your hypothetical 3 card lows that complete and have a 2 showing are much stronger. I would consider limping TT8 and absolutely completing TT2 vs an overfolding bi. I would consider overlimping that entire (TT) range if bi is sticky. This is purely in this situation where there is a limper in front, and you have an auto complete if its folded to you and the bi

4th street you wanted to keep your range balanced with a check when it's perceived you bricked and he hit. With a heart on 4th a raise is a good consideration as you would use it in your bluffing range. Hypothetically if a case comes up where you pick up a third heart and might be able to get a small pair that didnt make their low or improve their high to fold by 7th, you balance this bluff with a solid value range, especially because in this instance a raise's value range will be read as AA+ and flush draws instead of one more defined. if that didnt make sense lmk

With no heart on 4th I would prefer to check call for balance and hope 5th does anything but give him a non pairing low card so in instances where you catch a non paring high card or a low card ( looks like you have 8 draw vs his xx52 ) he will often remain the bettor and you can get a raise in on the bb streets that also balance bluffs and look very scary.

In most instances where you only c/c and never c/r this 4th, on 5th street if you catch anything other than an open pair and sometimes an A he will likely bet no matter what he catches unless hes very weak/passive so the c/c 4th always gets you a raise on 5th and protects your range.

On sixth a raise shouldnt be out of the question especially with a dead 5 and utg limp is far more weighted towards non pair hands than hands with pairs. Typically hands that want to go mw (345, 356ddd etc ) or weaker 3 card lows and 3 flushes that want to realize some equity in big ante structures. I dont worry about the boat here very often here. Quads are more of a concern given range but no raise on 5th means that's out. Also you have a potential made low which disincentives him to bluffraise.

Without the potential low he may bluffraise vs just a perceived made flush with trips and a low draw, but less likely when you could be made both ways.

I would be especially inclined to raise 6th given he is so shallow and being wrong isnt going to punish you more than 1bb. In a tournament I might take the lower variance approach.

7th street as played, a very strong player should be doing other things than betting unimproved on 7th but a weaker player will fire it out there just because. So in this spot with only a bet behind i might just raise and expect to scoop and chop enough of the time that I dont mind, but if he has more behind you would c/c 7th as played on 6th. Bet/call if you play it like me on 6th, and a small mixture of bet/3 bet and c/r if you improve for balance and depending on villain river tendencies

On third, you have a limp from a 5 (which means he is not strong) and another five with two ransoms underneath, I’d think 3rd is an auto raise? And isn’t there value in having an 8 versus a 2 before they might play back at you thinking you are drawing at a worse low?

I agree that the limp is generally a weaker range sure, but our hand isn't super great, and ive listed a number of reasons why overlimping isn't bad that I would just be repeating.

I think the standard is to complete, but I dont necessarily agree with it when the bi is half of the sb. Idk how much edge youre pushing vs 3 cards and whatever wants to put in the last .50 outside of just third street hot and cold which is marginal with less comfortable playablilty

I dont understand the second question sorry

He's saying people fire at your Eight thinking you have a bad low draw but are owning themselves because you have a high hand, whereas they won't fire at a Deuce thinking their low equity is worse.

This.

thanks for the input from all of you.

my third street decision was made because i'm last to act before the bring in and i have a hand that i'm most likely going to play as a high only hand. with that in mind, if i can get the bring in to fold (i didn't have any read on his tendencies) with a raise, i feel like that is better for me. i wonder how to weigh that against him not folding, building a bigger pot and potentially putting me in a tough spot on 4th if i do not hit my perfect card.

the check/call non heart tens on fourth is interesting.

Ok so were talking about hypotheticals later in a hand? I guess there are circumstances where its good to have people firing into you when you have an overpair, but some of the good situations are the same as when you have a low door, and the rare best ones are just when they have a super razzy hand that isnt so scary.

When I have a vulnerable pair I personally prefer to have the scarier low card so I can comfortably drive the action, and can better navigate.

personally my major variable here is what I perceive the bi defending range to be. If they defend wide or should defend wide then this hand is pretty vulnerable and I'm playing most of my 8 doors as a limp so I'll pick this hand to balance with that.

If bi overfolds or wont play back at the 8 wide than sure a complete is better.

Yeah if the BI folds then your hand for sure plays better. If you think people wont fold and you want to control and limp, you can always see if theres a spot on 4th to iso and get heads up if the situation looks good

4th should really be a c/c when your 8T board is against a 52 board, agree that his limp is likely mediocre 3 lows a large portion of the time. you happen to have your best possible hand but most of your range doesn't love a T, even if its suited.

Should be looking to raise some 5th bricks for him, especially if you board improves as well .

As played, I agree that 6th seems like a raise, he's unlikely to have started with many pairs, so you are very likely to be ahead of him, and you have to sigh call the river hoping he made a low or is one of the discussed weaker players that is just like "well i have trips, i'll bet" you could have easily been going to 7th with a low draw, the board gutshot and maybe two pair or pair and a FD, pretty much none of those are raising his board unless you make a boat.